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Old 12-19-2009, 10:17 AM
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New old Colt 1911 MK IV Series 70 w/large roll marks

Something I found the other day, a 1973 Colt 1911 MK IV Series 70 Government Model with original box and papers. From inspecting it, maybe a box of rds through it, if that at all.









What is the significant differences between a Colt 1911 with a large roll mark vs small roll marks? Any value differences? I understand there were only 8600 Colt 1911 made in 1973, any reason why? Thanks.

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Old 12-19-2009, 10:20 AM
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Can't answer your question, but can say. THATS NICE.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:21 AM
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Nice find---some collectors may put a premium on the large letter versions,
however to me as long as it is a real 70 Series,I could care less about large
versus small letters, Pete
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:23 AM
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Nice snag. That one would've been tough for me to pass up as well. Very nice!
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:47 AM
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Sweet, nice find.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:49 AM
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I'm like others and can't tell you the difference but it was a nice find.
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Old 12-19-2009, 11:21 AM
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Something I found the other day, a 1973 Colt 1911 MK IV Series 70 Government Model with original box and papers. From inspecting it, maybe a box of rds through it, if that at all.
What is the significant differences between a Colt 1911 with a large roll mark vs small roll marks? Any value differences? I understand there were only 8600 Colt 1911 made in 1973, any reason why? Thanks.
is a question that I have taken a long time.

but must have some meaning.

I've seen also on 38 supers.



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Old 12-19-2009, 11:50 AM
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WOW very cool 38 super, I guess I'm on a holy grail search for the meaning of a roll mark

Nice grip on the 1911
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:33 PM
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Something I found the other day, a 1973 Colt 1911 MK IV Series 70 Government Model with original box and papers.
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:39 PM
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. . . What is the significant differences between a Colt 1911 with a large roll mark vs small roll marks? . . .
The only difference I've ever found between my large and small roll mark models is the large came with a satin nickel trigger and the small came with a blued trigger.

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. . . I understand there were only 8600 Colt 1911 made in 1973, any reason why? Thanks.
1974 rolled around.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:02 PM
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Gorgeous pistol. No, I don't think there is any difference in value between a large and small rollmark S70, all else being equal. Physically there were no other differences. The earliest pistols like yours had a nickel-plated trigger and sandblasted wood grips, while later pistols went with a blued trigger and checkered grips. Aside from that, that's it.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:48 PM
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I was looking at the box and noticed the S/N was correct but the year indicated 1970, a bit puzzling considering the S/N (70G344**) indicated a 1973 manufacturing date. Thanks for the info, very helpful.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:20 PM
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That's a gem in my book. One of the most desirable of the commercial models to me - early '70 with sandblast grips and large rollmark. Closest I have come is a mint 1974 one, but alas with the checkered Walnut grips. I have some as-new sandblast grips I got from a forum member I could put on it, but it wouldn't be honest, would it?

And I agree, no value difference between large rollmark and small. I have some of each and there is no obvious other difference or qualitative difference. From some questions I've posted and owners I've tracked down, it appears the change-over was 1976/1977 - they just changed the equipment and started stamping them differently.
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Old 12-20-2009, 04:19 PM
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Thanks Kamerer. I was at Barnes & Noble yesterday reading a Colt book which covered values on revolvers and 1911 models. When I looked at how the author put a value on the 1911 VG condition, I was shocked that the prices listed were what I would considered way below what I see on line or at certain stores. Am I mssing something or book value vs market value is two different things.
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From my experience, book values bear little resemblance to actual prices; and they usually try to state up front that they are simply "guidelines." In the past they were more helpful, but in the last 10 years less so as they become out-of-date more rapidly:

1) the internet has expanded the knowledge of guns considerably as information is more readily available; the price of quality guns has outpaced the average.

2) actual monetary inflation as well as demand has driven prices faster than books can keep up, and

3) online auctions now make nationwide marketplaces for buyers and sellers vs. local papers, guns shows, and estate auctions.

And again, that's a nice example.
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Old 12-21-2009, 04:08 PM
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I have one made in 75 wish it looked that good
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Old 12-21-2009, 05:47 PM
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I must confess that I like the large rollmarks on the Series 70. These are the only large rollmarks that don't turn me off. I would've liked Colt to come out with these on their new Series 70.

File this under the "Everyone will find something to complain about" category!

I'm still more than happy with my new Series 70 model and am glad they came out with it. Now let's see what kind of rollmarks they put on those new Commanders...
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:57 AM
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Here's a 'large roll mark' GCNM I once owned, 70N22227 (1974).

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Old 12-22-2009, 06:06 AM
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Wow, nice grab and a gorgeous gun to boot!
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:41 AM
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bshnt2015, my 1974 model looks like your pistol's twin.


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Old 12-22-2009, 09:32 AM
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That's an outstanding pistol you have there, looks great.
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Old 12-22-2009, 10:23 AM
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1911shooter,

Very nice, I'll have to clean up my picture of the Colt logo roll mark.
My find was like looking for a pin in the hay stack. Plenty of 1911s around but to find an older model, clean and with original papers and box makes the find a bit more fun.

I've seen the newer Colt 1911s but have yet to buy one. I like the Special Combat models and will buy one later.

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Old 12-24-2009, 08:10 AM
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That's a gem in my book. One of the most desirable of the commercial models to me - early '70 with sandblast grips and large rollmark. Closest I have come is a mint 1974 one, but alas with the checkered Walnut grips. I have some as-new sandblast grips I got from a forum member I could put on it, but it wouldn't be honest, would it?

And I agree, no value difference between large rollmark and small. I have some of each and there is no obvious other difference or qualitative difference. From some questions I've posted and owners I've tracked down, it appears the change-over was 1976/1977 - they just changed the equipment and started stamping them differently.
this is my GCNM, purchased in 1977, are these considered 'large roll marks'/

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Old 12-25-2009, 07:00 PM
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The only difference I've ever found between my large and small roll mark models is the large came with a satin nickel trigger and the small came with a blued trigger.

1974 rolled around.
That's the first I've heard of that. I have an early 1979 Gov't Model with small roll marks & a nickel trigger. I bought it second hand - it has a cheap, aftermarket barrel and I'm now wondering if the trigger is incorrect as well.
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