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Old 12-01-2011, 02:23 PM
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Detonics MTX compact 1911 ~first shooting impressions

With the high school fencing season in full swing I've not had time to actually get out and do any shooting over the past month. This morning I figured I'd change my routine. So at 7:30 this morning I gave all the neighbors who were not up and eating their Post Toasties a string of 45acp wake up calls. It was 34 degrees, there was a light fog hanging over the back field, and a heavy frost on the ground, but that was not going to stop my fun.

My biggest concern was the grip texture and if the gun would slip or twist in my hand under the recoil of the shots. Turned out to be a totally unfounded concern. The new MTX is easily the lowest recoiling 1911 that I've ever held, the slightly altered grip angle, combined with the higher grip on the gun because of the relieved area under the trigger guard and the scalloped rear area under the beavertail make for a very secure grip ... even with cold hands ... and all that made the gun every easy to control, with a very light (for a 45acp) recoil and a modest muzzle flip that allowed the front sight to come back down to the target quickly.

I didn't fire the gun rapid fire, but was shooting at a pace that was probably a little faster than 1 shot a second. I was at roughly 25' from the target, standing, and shooting with a pretty relaxed 2 hand hold.

The folks at Detonics changed the grip angle of the 1911 to the same angle that is used on the Browning Hi-Power. But the grip, while it mimics the general silhouette of the BHP feels much more like the more ergonomic grip of the CZ 75. For those who've not shot the CZ 75 pistols, that gun is really just a DA/SA variant of the BHP design, but modernized in several ways. The grip is not as rectangular and blocky as the BHP grip and generally feels better in the hand. This new Detonics MTX takes up the ergonomics another couple of steps. It fills the palm of the hand nicely, the rear of the grip is well rounded, and while it looks bulky its really easy to grasp by folks with most hand sizes because of the relief under the trigger guard. The grip safety is, like original Detonics CombatMaster, deactivated, and that allowed the rear of the grip to be carved out. It makes for a very high hand hold and lowers the bore-axis closer ratio closer to the line of your arm. Your index finger, due to the scalloped rear and undercut trigger guard, is placed directly in line with the gun's trigger.

On my gun the trigger pulls back cleanly for about 1/8th of an inch and then snaps cleanly with virtually zero over-travel.

I have a feeling that this gun (in the full size 5" barrel & 14 round magazine version) will become very popular with the competition shooting crowd. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the SWAT team types adopting this gun.

Easy to shoot quickly and easy to control, my aging eyes, aided by trifocal glasses, had no real problem putting shots on target quickly and accurately.









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Old 12-01-2011, 02:47 PM
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Very cool! It's nice seeing Detonics thinking outside the box. Back to their roots I guess.
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Old 12-01-2011, 02:53 PM
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Very cool! It's nice seeing Detonics thinking outside the box. Back to their roots I guess.
Ditto. When the original factory stopped producing guns and they moved first to AZ then to GA, I think their guns were simply uninspired. They made some improvements over the years, but basically were shipping the same gun. The original factory was INNOVATIVE and made highly useful, if unusual (for the era) guns. The new company seems to have picked up on the innovative theme and reinvented the grip frame, giving us a modular double stack gun that, with the twist of a few hex screws, allows the users to switch from compact to full size grips and from 12 round compact to full size 14 round magazines!
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:25 PM
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That's sweet! I've been waiting to see your review of this gun. Do you know if there going to be a all black version of this gun? The 2 tone isn't really doing it for me.

Edit: I found my answer on the website

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Old 12-01-2011, 03:33 PM
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That's sweet! I've been waiting to see your review of this gun. Do you know if there going to be a all black version of this gun? The 2 tone isn't really doing it for me.

Edit: I found my answer on the website
Actually if you go to the Detonics Photo Thread you can see that I own both. The Black & Black gun I own is the 1st gun off the production line. This Black & Silver gun is actually the prototype pre-production pistol. Its identical to the production guns but was designated and engraved as NEMESIS instead of MTX, which is what all the production pistols have engraved in the frame. Oh, and the serial number on the prototype is my initials + 001.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:56 PM
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You shot Thumper AND Barney?

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Old 12-01-2011, 05:47 PM
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Thanks Melensdad, been waiting patiently for this report for awhile, know you're busy with the fencing team and all, so I really appreciate you taking the time to take pics and give the gun a write-up.

Really would love to save up over the next year and get one, it's become a serious consideration since the first link someone (I believe it was you) posted on here. Since I'm considering law enforcement after college it'd be swell to find a department that let a guy carry that as part of his rig...no need to reserve it for SWAT types alone.
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:32 PM
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To modern for my taste I will keep my Beleview Wa. Detonics It has served well for many years. I wish them success but I won't be a buyer.
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Old 12-02-2011, 07:48 AM
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Interesting. How about a couple of pics with the slide closed?
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Old 12-02-2011, 07:56 AM
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You shot Thumper AND Barney?

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Thanks Melensdad, been waiting patiently for this report for awhile, know you're busy with the fencing team and all, so I really appreciate you taking the time to take pics and give the gun a write-up.

Really would love to save up over the next year and get one, it's become a serious consideration since the first link someone (I believe it was you) posted on here. Since I'm considering law enforcement after college it'd be swell to find a department that let a guy carry that as part of his rig...no need to reserve it for SWAT types alone.
We've got fencing 5 to 6 days a week right now, 2 nights a week after leaving practice at the school I go directly to the fencing club for a couple more hours of weapon repair, match directing, etc. Saturdays are tournaments, last week was Milwaukee, this week and next week are both north side of Chicago . . . Sundays are weapon repair as weapons break at the tournaments, so we can be ready for fencing again on Monday.

But I'm going to try to go out and do some more extensive shooting. FWIW, I have NOT cleaned the gun. I don't intend to do so. I want to see how many rounds will go through it before its too dirty and starts to hiccup. Not that I plan a torture test, but rather because the tolerances on this gun are so tight, much tighter than any gun I've ever seen, that I want to see how it reacts to dirt.



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To modern for my taste I will keep my Beleview Wa. Detonics It has served well for many years. I wish them success but I won't be a buyer.
Fair enough. But I'm willing to be that when Sid rolled out his first CombatMaster in the mid-1970s that more than a few folks said "too small for my taste, I'll keep my . . . "

I'm not here to convert anyone. But the reason I fell in love with, and now own dozens of original Washington era CombatMasters is because Sid took the 1911 idea, but started with a fresh piece of paper and reinvented it. He, and a dedicated group of engineers, made that short barrel/slide work by brazing on a cone and putting in a new multi-spring recoil assembly, first by capturing it with a paper clip (I have one of those guns), but eventually by capping the end and securing it with a hex screw. Oh, and that funny rear sight and rear slide scallop

But seriously it was the amazing amount of engineering that went into those early guns, the inspiration and genius that was required to turn out a working compact 1911, that was what made Detonics. And not everyone liked the looks then.

Now we have a new company that, to my mind, is equally inspired. They have taken the old (an original CombatMaster slide will work on this gun!) and blended it with some very advanced engineering and ergonomic thought and turned out this new MTX. May not be to everyone's liking, but its impossible to deny the innovation.

The 1911 has not be reinvented by Detonics, but it has been totally rethought and done so with the human factor ergonomics.
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:00 AM
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Interesting. How about a couple of pics with the slide closed?
Next to an original Detonics CombatMaster. You can see this gun doesn't have the ultra-short grip of the original CombatMaster, bur rather has the same short grip length as a Colt Officer Model.


The first production gun off the assembly line, now a 'safe queen' in my vault.





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Looks great can't wait to get my hands on one.
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I like your targets.

Looks like you were doing "Barney drills". 3 in the nads, one in the chest.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:35 PM
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I would be interested when I can actually hold one, not into buying one over internet (unless I get to hold one locally first).. thanks for the write up and photos.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:17 AM
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I like your targets.

Looks like you were doing "Barney drills". 3 in the nads, one in the chest.
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