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      You could try replacing the plunger spring and plungers. They're cheap and it's easy to do. Because you've asked about how to do it, my guess is that you haven't often (or ever?) done a complete disassembly of a 1911 before. Usually, with modern 1911s, the problem isn't getting that assembly out: the problem is finding it on the floor after it has launched itself to freedom after the thumb safety is removed.

      So, to answer one of your direct questions, the way to remove the existing plunger spring assembly is to strip your 1911 so you separate the frame from the slide, remove the thumb safety, and watch the plunger spring assembly take off. If it doesn't do so on its own, pull it out from the side of the plunger tube facing the thumb safety. Then check to make sure that there's nothing remaining inside the plunger tube. If there is anything still there, poke it out with a toothpick inserted from the side facing the slide stop. And if that was necessary you've probably found the problem: a broken plunger spring. It happens sometimes. Replacing the assembly should solve the problem.

      The most sensible way to get those parts, in my own opinion, is to buy an Ed Brown rebuild kit from Brownells. The kit costs about $15-$17 and has those parts as well as the other pins and springs needed for a 1911 from time to time.

      It's much harder to replace the thumb safety and the plunger tube. You'll do what you want, of course, and other people will advise you differently, but I'd suggest that you have a competent 1911 pistolsmith tackle those jobs. The thumb safety is, as the name says, a safety device and it requires fitting by someone who understands the interrelationship among the parts in the 1911 fire control group. I'm not saying that it's a black art known only to a few. But I am saying that the thumb safety isn't a drop-in part. The plunger tube is diabolical. It fits just so into two holes in the frame, and removing it can mess up those holes in some frames--especially aluminum alloy frames. Replacing it properly is something of a black art, because both studs must be recessed and staked into the inside of the frame, and the rearmost stud is a nasty creature. Do this job wrong and you can create serious problems. To do it properly requires not only knowledge and skill but also a special tool that isn't used for anything else. Lots of kitchen table gunsmiths do it, and often they do a job that looks okay and even functions for a while. I wouldn't bet my life on it.

      Again, I'm not saying that you can't learn how to do both of those jobs and others. Nobody is born knowing how to do them. And that, I suppose, is my point.
       
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      But if I wanted to purchase a service pack, it would be the one for the government size and just disregard the recoil spring? I just like to have springs and small parts (pin kit, firing pin, etc...) on hand since they are pretty inexpensive. I keep those things in my tool box for my pistols and AR-15. Thanks for the advice, I will just order a new assembly from Kimber when I need it.
      The service pack is: recoil spring, firing pin spring (extra power), hammer spring, magazine catch spring, plunger tube spring, firing pin safety spring and sear spring.

      You can't use the recoil spring or the firing pin safety spring.
      You get a firing pin spring when you order Wolff recoil springs. These are typically replaced at 5000 rounds or more.

      The mag catch spring you will never use unless you lose the one that's in the mag catch now. You have to take the mag catch apart to do that.

      The plunger tube spring only needs to be replaced if you lose it. Of course, if you lose it, you will probably also lose the plungers on either end of the spring.

      You may never replace the sear spring. About the only time you would is if you did a trigger job and wanted a thinner one for a light trigger.

      If you want spare parts, I would order a 1911 rebuild kit from Brownells. This has all the pins and some of the small springs that you might need for spares.

      http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1332&title=1911 AUTO REBUILD KIT

      In addition, it is a good practice to keep a spare extractor.
       
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      I can understand some folks dislike for MIM but out of the list you provided, why change the following:

      Wilson Combat Bullet Proof Series 80 Firing Pin Stop $18.95 This part literally gets a hammering every time the pistol is fired. It can be considered a high stress part. The real question might actually be "Why would they make this part using the MIM process?" That said, Firing Pin Stops are usually pretty thick, and I wouldn't expect any problems, but then again, I didn't expect any MIM parts breakages in my gun, but I sure experienced them.
      Ed Brown Extended Mag Release (Stainless) $21.99 If the magazine catch (or even the magazine catch lock- as what happened to me) breaks you've now got a 30 oz.+ club.
      Mainspring Housing- No real reason that I can see other than to fulfill the de-MIM job. This parts doesn't see a whole lot of stress that it would worry me too much.
      Grip Safety- Again, no real reason other than to remove the MIM. It really isn't under any stress at all.

      Ed brown Stainless Steel rebuild Kit $19.99 (what does this consist of?)- http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1332/Product/1911-AUTO-REBUILD-KIT In my case, I had to replace the broken mag catch lock & spring anyways, and rather than paying $5 for that one part, I ponied up another $15 and replaced all the rest of the pins & springs.

      My 1911PD Commander has a little over 2k rds through it with no parts breakages. - I wish I could say I had the same experience. Instead, I had a broken mag catch lock after the first 200 rounds, and then the legs of my plunger tube sheared completely off after the following 200 rounds (this stuff shouldn't break, ever) and so I decided to I put a stop to it.
      Responses in red...

      I realize my experiences and opinion on this matter are unpopular, and that's fine. I also understand that a lot of people do not depend their S&W 1911s for carry or anything approaching hard use. Since mine is a hiking CCW pistol, I need it to function (miles away from help) without any concerns for premature parts breakages. Where some people may shoot a box of 50 rounds and then rave about the performance, I'm shooting at least 200 rounds every time I take it out, and more often than that I'm shooting more. The round count begins to add up quick year after year.
       
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      Apparently there are at least two types of ambi safeties. The Kimbers have a notch cut into the back of the right hand side safety where it rests on the hammer pin that protrudes from the frame slightly. The Wilson ambi safety sits in the notch cut out in the grip instead of having the groove inside resting on the hammer pin.

      Do I just need to get a new hammer pin? If so, I'm assuming I can use a regular hammer pin that was intended for a single right thumb safety since it will be somewhat flush to the frame and will not interfere with the operation of the safety on the right hand side of the slide? I was thinking about just getting a $20 stainless pin set anyway, something like this: http://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...rame-pins/1911-auto-rebuild-kit-prod1332.aspx

      If you haven't guessed I am installing stainless WC controls on my Warrior. I wanted to make it look unique so I have a Wilson Bulletproof stainless slide stop, currently filing the BP stainless conceal grip safety (this has become a nightmare so far because it's just taking FOREVER and my arms and hands are tired), and a solid Nighthawk Trigger (that filing job only took 20-30 minutes to get it just right).

      Thoughts? Think it will look too gaudy? Here it is so far, I don't plan on keeping these grips on it but it is the best that I have so far (unfortunately).

      With just the WC BP slide stop and guide rod spring plug (which of course you can't see but you can in my signature link) installed, along with stainless WC grip screws. Honestly, I'm swapping out these parts more for looks than because it's MIM. The fact that the stainless steel parts are not MIM is simply a plus and not the primary reason. Yeah I'm being shallow with my guns... lol

       
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      Bobtail MHS's use the same guts as officer MSH's do. So if you order the officer size small parts/pins kit you will be good to go. Check out this. This link has both full size and officers. You need one of the bottom two options.

      http://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...are/frame-pins/1911-rebuild-kit-prod1332.aspx
      Excellent, thanks so much. I guess it`s cheap enough to just buy the parts and have the extra MSH parts for the future. And I also learned a little something, great ! Thanks again, AJ
       
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      You could S&A. They're very helpful when you call them.
      You'll most likely talk to to Mr. Smith or his wife.

      http://www.smithandalexander.com/

      http://www.smithandalexander.com/guides.html

      Officers' Model / Springfield
      Compact & Ultra Compact
      Same fine features as the Government Model Mag Guide. The only difference is a shorter main spring housing. When ordering specify make of pistol. Available in aluminum and also available in Slim Line.

      $78.95
      OMFS - Officers' Model Flat Stainless
      OMFB - Officers' Model Flat Blue
      SCFS - Springfield Compact Flat Stainless
      SCFB - Springfield Compact Blue

      $78.95
      OMAS - Officers' Model Arched Stainless
      OMAB - Officers' Model Arched Blue
      SCAS - Springfield Compact Arched Stainless
      SCAB - Springfield Compact Arched Blue

      you could buy a officer's rebuild kit from Brownells:
      http://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...icers-rebuild-kit-sku087814101-1332-5120.aspx

      087-814-101WB
      Blue Officers Rebuild Kit

      Mfr Part: 814OF
       
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      Bad: Not sure ILS is simple to replace. Have you actually done it yourself or are you just guessing it is simple? Besides cost of new MSH and other parts, there may be a big snare https://pistolsmith.com/workshop/3582-boo-springfield-armory.html
      Did it to every SA 1911 I have owned that had it.
      All you need is this. I believe it comes with the retaining pin as well.

      https://www.brownells.com/handgun-p...kit-prod1332.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=ED+BROWN

      Don't need a new MSH unless you don't want the ILS hole. Only guns I have ever had problems replacing a MSH with another or a magwell have been my Baer's, which is to be expected.
       
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      Did it to every SA 1911 I have owned that had it.
      All you need is this. I believe it comes with the retaining pin as well.

      https://www.brownells.com/handgun-p...kit-prod1332.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=ED+BROWN

      Don't need a new MSH unless you don't want the ILS hole. Only guns I have ever had problems replacing a MSH with another or a magwell have been my Baer's, which is to be expected.
      Do I need a new hammer strut for RO FULL SIZE or COMPACT with short handle?
       
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