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On the Colt model 01970A1CS, "Government Model, Series 70" with slide marked "Colt's Mk IV/Series 70, Government Model, 45 Automatic Caliber," was it from the factory with a match barrel? ...or, how can you tell?

On my Kimber's and Dan Wesson 1911s, "match" is stamped right on the barrel in the chamber area exposed by the ejection port. Honestly, I've always thought it was a bit of marketing hype. I mean, I know some barrels are better than others, but there isn't some internationally accepted measurement for "match barrel," is there? Each gunmaker and/or barrel manufacturer can use whatever criteria they want, right?

Anyway, if anyone knows how they shipped from the factory and/or how to tell from the outside, I'd appreciate the help.

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Lots of "match grade" barrels.
Not so many "match WINNING grade" barrels.

What match are you going to shoot with any of those guns?
That's kind of my point, I just thinking it's marketing BS. Anybody can put "match" on a barrel or even "match plus" or "super match." Unless there's an agreed upon standard, what does it mean?

In this case, I am trying to sell this gun on GunBroker and a prospective buyer asked "is this a match grade barrel?" As I wrote above, it says so on some other pistols I have, but I am wondering if this is stamped on the shroud or if it is/isn't Colt's version of "match grade," whatever that means.
 

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All of the Colt's I have with the Colt "match grade" barrel are marked as such, i.e. marked with the "N.M." stamping near after the caliber on the barrel hood. Unless it is some type of custom version of the 01970A1CS, it just should have the standard barrel not the "N.M." version.

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All of the Colt's I have with the Colt "match grade" barrel are marked as such, i.e. marked with the "N.M." stamping near after the caliber on the barrel hood.
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Awesome. Thank you very much. I will check, but I am sure you're correct it is not "NM." I really appreciate your taking the time for the pic.
 

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Not a match barrel. Having said that, I've shot my O1970A1CS right alongside my O1911C (which has a NM barrel) and I'll be damned if I can tell any difference in accuracy.

BTW, regarding your auction if you want to generate more interest (i.e. $$$) you might want to take it out of the plastic baggie for a few pics. You might think it has never been out of the plastic, but it has to have been because both mags are on the outside.
 
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BTW, regarding your auction if you want to generate more interest (i.e. $$$) you might want to take it out of the plastic baggie for a few pics. You might think it has never been out of the plastic, but it has to have been because both mags are on the outside.
I think that's good advice. Unfortunately, I am now in a different city and state from where the gun is located. I'll try to get my nephew to do it tomorrow, just using his phone.

One prospective buyer also pointed out (with a pic to prove it) that some of this production run had an issue where the plunger groove is not really centered. Obviously, 16+ years later, Colt is not going to fix that. So, I kind of resigned to taking it out of the bag anyway as we need to check for that error.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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I've owned many of these Series 70 repros over the years, both blued and stainless. Most I sold off in short order after discovering a host of machining or finishing anomalies. That's why I suggested taking the pistol out of the plastic bag because there are a lot of OCD guys like me who freak out over such things. I never noticed an issue with the plunger tubes on mine, but I did encounter wavy slide edges, areas where the hand polishing ran off into the sandblasted areas, off-center slides causing dust cover contact, and crooked rollmarks. For such beautiful pistols Colt sure went out of their way to screw so many of them up. I finally managed to settle on two blued and one stainless pistol that were about as perfect as the dweebs at Colt could make them, and like my O1918 WW1 replica they're never going to be sold unless I'm down to my last pair of clean underwear.
 
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I think that's good advice. Unfortunately, I am now in a different city and state from where the gun is located. I'll try to get my nephew to do it tomorrow, just using his phone.

One prospective buyer also pointed out (with a pic to prove it) that some of this production run had an issue where the plunger groove is not really centered. Obviously, 16+ years later, Colt is not going to fix that. So, I kind of resigned to taking it out of the bag anyway as we need to check for that error.

Thanks for the suggestion.
Can you pm me the links?
 

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Can you pm me the links?
I'll just brazenly do so in public:
The O1911: <deleted>
The Series 70: <deleted>

I figure this is a legit thread started with a legit question. People post links to GB all the time, including some of the mods, and so this should be okay deeply embedded in the discussion.

As @dsk (a mod no less!) suggested, I will try to get my nephew to take some new pics with the pistol out of the plastic wrap. I'll ping this thread when they are up.

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kinda confused here ... i didnt think posts referencing guns for sale were allowed .... "Posting a link to another website or auction where your firearm is for sale is also strictly prohibited. "-from this site ....

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There are many threads where the subject is a GunBroker auction, including some started by mods. For example, a recent thread about somebody trying to pass off a reissue for a period original. Other times, like the big SA-35 launch thread, there are auctions linked discussing the pricing.

My interpretation is one can't start a thread for the sole purpose of listing their auction. I didn't. I had a legit question and there's been much back and forth. I only provided the link after asked to do so. If they disagree, they can delete the post or ask me to delete it, or whatever, and discipline me appropriately.
 

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Oh the Match Barrel. It doesn’t mean anything in a pistol. We aren’t talking about over a foot of dwell like a precision rifle. But it does allow the manufacturers to milk a few more bucks out of the uninformed consumer. I’d be more concerned with the barrel being “matched” with the slide and bushing.
 
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I think the key would in the forum rule was “YOUR” firearm …
The example you provided did not involve someone promoting their OWN gun for sale …

Also, you error when you assume someone quoting policy “can’t stand” a post … it is possible to be indifferent but yet point out standing policy IMHO

I wish you well in all 15 of your gunbroker auctions …
 

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Also, you error when you assume someone quoting policy “can’t stand” a post … it is possible to be indifferent but yet point out standing policy IMHO
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Your interpretation may prove correct. If you want me to remove the links, I will.

Where did I write "can't stand" or imply I thought you were personally offended or aggrieved by my action? I re-read what I wrote, but I don't see it.

Writing is two-dimensional, so a reader can impute emotion or infer an attitude never intended by the author. I thought my response to your question/comment was a reasonable, level-headed explanation of my thinking. If you took it otherwise, I apologize as I never intended to belittle or condescend to your comment.

Yes, I am selling a several items. I work overseas. If I decide to sell something, the only time I can do it is while I am in the US, like now. Many of the items I am selling are from my uncle's estate. Otherwise, I am trying to raise money for a specific purpose. If you looked into my history, you'd see the previous time I sold anything was in 2007. I'm not a commercial seller, I don't make my living buying and selling, and, unlike others, I don't resort to chicanery or deceptive descriptions to jack up prices.

I've been a member on this forum since 2001. I've been much more active since the Summer commenting in numerous threads about a wide variety of topics.
 

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Forum rules prevent listing a gun for sale or starting a thread to promote its sale on another site. However we've had so many cases where a member's gun for sale ended up becoming a subject for discussion we've learned to tolerate it, as long as it doesn't sound like you're trying to promote it here.
 

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Mine have NM on the barrel. Are you going to shoot in a match with a stock gun?
No, I was trying to answer the question of a prospective buyer. Now, if I can just get my nephew to answer his phone...
 
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