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I've been carrying 185 JHP's for self defense for years. I have a 'bunch' of 230 HP's sitting here and my stock of 185's is getting to the bottom.

Since I shoot 230 LRN and FMJ, I'm thinking of switching over to the 230 JHP's as well.

So what are your thoughts on the two weights?

Is there enough of a difference to even discuss it?



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stopping power ='s blood loss. blood loss is caused by the biggest diameter hole and penetration. mass ='s penatration.
 

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I think SAM likes the 230's. They are my preference in a 5" gun but I like the 185's in short barrelled guns.
 

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My thoughts are fairly simple: a good round in the ten-ring is better than a great round anywhere else.

Pick the round that your gun shoots best. And generally speaking, the bad guy won't know the difference.


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Part of the answer will depend on the size of gun you have. 230 gr work better out of a 5" barrel than out of a 4.25" barrel or smaller. If you have a shorter barrel, then you the 185s.

SAM3 brought up some interesting issues. I don't understand what 's is in his equations. I had never heard that stopping power is equal to blood loss. Given that very few shots could instantly stop someone due to blood loss, I would not count on blood loss as being the determining factor for stopping power. Blood loss may eventually stop someone, but it can take a while. The classic case is of the Platt and Matix gunfight with the FBI. As one of the agents say, Platt and Matix were dieing, but not fast enough. I don't recall which it was, but one of them was fatally wounded by the first shot he received that cut a major blood vessel to/from the heart. He lived long enough to kill more than one agent and would several others. Blood loss stopping power may mean that you do stop the bad guy, but only after he has killed you. Don't count on blood loss as a determining factor.

Another issue brought up by SAM3 is penetration. The greater the mass of the bullet does not mean that it will necessarily have greater penetration. Other issues of bullet speed and shape will affect penetration performance. If the round is traveling too slow, you won't get sufficient penetration. This is an issue with shorter barreled guns and using the 230 gr bullets. The shorter barrels do not let the bullet get up to its fullest potential speed as produced in a 5" gun. Depending on the make and model of ammo, a 3" barrel may be as much as 150' per second slower, but probably closer to 80-100 with most brands. A 4.25" barrel won't be affected as much, but the bullet will still be slower than if fired from a 5" barrel. As for shape, a larger diameter bullet is likely to have more trouble penetrating than a smaller diameter if all other varialbes are the same.

What it all boils down to is having the most appropriate speed for your bullet given the bullet's size and weight. Speed is going to be determined, in part, by the barrel length and the powder load.
 

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IT'S LIKE THIS, PEOPLE STOP DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING (THE ACTIONS CAUSING YOU TO SHOOT) BECAUSE EITHER THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM IS TAKEN OUT OR THEY BLEED OUT ENOUPH TO CAUSE THEM TO STOP. TO GET BLOOD OUT YOU WANT AIR IN THAT MEANS MULTIPLE CENTER MASS HITS WITH THE BIGGEST DIAMETER ROUND YOU CAN HANDLE WELL, TO LET MORE BLOOD OUT AND AIR IN.IN MOST CASES BLEEDING OUT WILL NOT BE A INSTANT STOP THE ONLY INSTANT STOP IS IF THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYS. IS TAKEN OUT.
 

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In a 45acp...The ammo that WORKS everytime...that you can hit with "everytime"...that's all you need. Don't make yourself crazy ovr this...Just make sure your pistol shoots everytime and hits what you aim at...If 230gr ball is what you have or 230 JHP, it's still got to work and hit to do anything. I use any Gold-Dot from 200 to 230gr. I also use 200 LSWC at times. They all "work"...in MY GUN...


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Sam3
Easy on the CAPS.
It makes it hard to read your posts.
Thanks

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I carried 165 gr. Hydra-shok rounds for a while in my SA Champion (4"). I felt this was a better bullet for "personal defense". However, it finally sank into my brain that the 165 gr. rounds were hitting low at the range. The Champion has fixed sights. The 230 gr. rounds were right on target. I now carry 230 gr. rounds for "personal defense".
 

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Originally posted by Bear One:
I carried 165 gr. Hydra-shok rounds for a while in my SA Champion (4"). I felt this was a better bullet for "personal defense". However, it finally sank into my brain that the 165 gr. rounds were hitting low at the range. The Champion has fixed sights. The 230 gr. rounds were right on target. I now carry 230 gr. rounds for "personal defense".
I carried 230gr hydra-shok for a long time.
But I learned that it was developed for a 5" barrel. I don't carry a 5" barrel gun.
So, I started carrying 185gr HiShok from Federal. Now, after viewing the results from a test I read, I am carying Winchester 185gr JHP Silvertips.
Check it out. (great visuals). http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?topic=1636&forum=24&31
 
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