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While shooting a match Sunday, I let the gun run dry, (SA1911) so it went to slide lock. I was using Chip McCormack 10 round Magazines. When I SHOVED a new mag in (Just really too hard) it got stuck. It was too far up into the gun and the slide would NOT move forward into battery. I could pull the slide back to lock it open but the mag was in there good.
The Match Director removed the loaded gun from the line and tapped the mag out from the top with a hardwood dowel. The mags do not stick in the gun after I got it home and tried to repeat the problem.
Has anyone had this happen?
 

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I was using Chip McCormack 10 round Magazines.

look at the base pad
on the front of the base pad is the stop ledge (for lack of proper term) .
That stop hits the bottom of grip/frame and stops the mag's travel travel

see if yours damaged and/or modified

You mentioned it's a SA 1911, you didn't mention if full size or compact.
If compact, a mag made for FS frames can blow right past the mag catch and jam in the frame


..L.T.A.
 

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Thanks;
It is a full size (RO) 1911A1
I know what you mean about the "LEDGE" on the front of the magazine. They all appear to be there, BUT, I will measure them all to see if one is too short?
I kept the mag that got stuck separate from the others until I tossed them all in the range bag together. Not real smart!
 

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Hmmm..I wonder if the follower got hung-up on the slide-stop...

I've had that happen with original style split follower mags
 

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Good idea, I'll look to see if there are any marks on the follower of one mag.

On second thought, NO.
I just shoved that mag into the gun, the gun would not go into battery with that mag inserted.
 

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Hmmm..I wonder if the follower got hung-up on the slide-stop...

I've had that happen with original style split follower mags
it was on reload so the follower would be at the bottom of the mag below the loaded ammo.

I've had this happen with a cheap 10 round mag but never with my CMC 10 rounders and I practice slide lock reloads regularly
 

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sounds like an overinsertion, which can happen when the ledge on the basepad is removed or damaged. I've done it several times.
Think it sucks now, try clearing that one on the clock.
 

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Maybe just a minimum spec mag-well then. I know the Sistema Colt I own has a tight mag-well. Magazines that fit my other 1911 pistols fine and drop-free...can be really snug in the Sistema..requiring some serious 'button-push'..and have to drag the mag free from the pistol at the same time.
 

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sounds like an overinsertion, which can happen when the ledge on the basepad is removed or damaged. I've done it several times.
Think it sucks now, try clearing that one on the clock.
I was on the Clock! The Range Master took it away and cleared it, His range, BUT My gun. I'll talk to him about that. I know I cannot leave the range with a loaded gun by myself, I just did not like him taking it.
I was running ~55 Seconds on each stage. When I jammed it up the 90 second par time came and went. With all the "Not Engaged" targets I was up into 600 seconds for the match. Only 4 stages, I was in a 230 - 240 second run.
They say you learn by your mistakes, Maybe?
 

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At some point, the match has to continue. Having someone with a jammed gun holds everyone up. I've fired into a squib and split the barrel. Should have seen us trying to clear that one.
 

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I was on the Clock! The Range Master took it away and cleared it, His range, BUT My gun. I'll talk to him about that. I know I cannot leave the range with a loaded gun by myself, I just did not like him taking it.
I was running ~55 Seconds on each stage. When I jammed it up the 90 second par time came and went. With all the "Not Engaged" targets I was up into 600 seconds for the match. Only 4 stages, I was in a 230 - 240 second run.
They say you learn by your mistakes, Maybe?
The RO taking your gun is not uncommon. I have done that myself once the competitor declares themselves finished with the stage and unable to clear the pistol. I know what I am going to do to clear and keep the range safe - our first order of busines - I have no clue what you are going to do that may put others in danger. As a side benefit, think of it this way. In the gyrations of clearing the handgun if the RO drops the gun then its just a dropped gun. If you try to clear and drop the gun - you go home.
 

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Yes, I know that the RO needs to escort me and the gun off the range. I am a USPSA RO myself. I guess I was just a little PO'd about the gun and it gave me bad feeling that he did not just say, "come with me", or "I need to take control of your gun".
I know the Match Director very well, he is a good guy that I know will not harm anyone's gun.
I kept telling my RO at the time that I need to get this gun off the range and to a safe area, but he just stood there looking at me. I think the Match director was more PO'D at the RO for holding up the match and not getting me and my gun to a safe area to work on it. No real hard feelings, I know he did the right thing.
 

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Over inserting a mag

I have a 1911 single stack 9mm that has a custom full mag well silver soldered to the frame. The frame had to be cut, and the mag well is about the same overall length of a standard frame length. However, it does not allow any stop ledge to prevent a 10 round mag from being over inserted into the gun. The only thing that was stopping the mag was the extended ejector, and I noticed my extended ejector was slightly bent, although it was not yet hitting the slide.

I ended up creating a stop ledge on the back side of each mag, by placing a small bead of weld, then filing it until the mag would seat properly without moving upward any higher. I can no longer "over insert the mags."
 

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When I was checking out my disassembled ati 1911, I rammed the mag up a little too hard in the frame and broke the tip off the ejector. It still ejects, but the mag was stuck.

Also check and make sure your grip escutcheons are not screwed in too far. They will grab a mag sometimes, and scratch up the sides.
 

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This is why I check to make sure all of my magazines clear my ejector. Take the slide off and insert a new magazine to make sure it's not going to ding the ejector every time you slide 'er home. Trust me, losing an extended, tuned ejector in a Commander or officer model ain't fun on the range. I always ensure that the base pad stops over-insertion.
 

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Yes, I know that the RO needs to escort me and the gun off the range. I am a USPSA RO myself. I guess I was just a little PO'd about the gun and it gave me bad feeling that he did not just say, "come with me", or "I need to take control of your gun".
I know the Match Director very well, he is a good guy that I know will not harm anyone's gun.
I kept telling my RO at the time that I need to get this gun off the range and to a safe area, but he just stood there looking at me. I think the Match director was more PO'D at the RO for holding up the match and not getting me and my gun to a safe area to work on it. No real hard feelings, I know he did the right thing.
Not supposed to take a live gun off the range. It needs to be cleared first.
Had to take a hammer to mine.:cool:
 

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Were the CMC skirted mag pads on the bottom of the mags and in good condition? If not, there is the reeason for the over insertion.
 

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Yes, The mags have only been used 4 or 5 times. I need to measure each mag and see if one is short?
That, or the magazine folds that hold the base pad got tweaked or the base pad cracked on insertion.
 
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