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Course design depends a lot on the size of the ranges you have and the steel available. Most shotgun courses are poppers-only, with an occasional paper and slugs stage. Basically, handgun stages shot with a shotgun.
Rifle usually takes more room, although an occasional handgun-like stage shot with rifle is not a bad idea.
We shoot 3-gun in MI on a regular basis, and will be starting again in spring 2002.
You might tray downloading course descriptions from the USPSA 3-Gun Nationals, off the USPSA web site.
Rifle usually takes more room, although an occasional handgun-like stage shot with rifle is not a bad idea.
We shoot 3-gun in MI on a regular basis, and will be starting again in spring 2002.
You might tray downloading course descriptions from the USPSA 3-Gun Nationals, off the USPSA web site.
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Our club has a couple of different shotgun targets we use. In addition to the usual steel targets and paper for slugs, we use clays on special metal holders and water filled 1 gallon milk jugs on metal stands, very fun
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The jugs are cheap. Just put out notice for everyone to them, then on match day put a crew in charge of filling them.
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Keith
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Most of what we do is home grown and adaptations of pistol COF's. I don't know of a source for stage design.
Our club 3-gun matches are usually 6 stages. 2 Pistol, 2 Shotgun, and 2 rifle. We'll start with the Pistol and shot gun set up first. Once those are completed we usually have lunch while the two pistol stages are modified.
Some IPSC pistol stages are pretty long already. By moving a starting box or a couple of targets we can get close to 100 yards out. Although it's a hoot to do a house clearing stage with an AR.
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Our club 3-gun matches are usually 6 stages. 2 Pistol, 2 Shotgun, and 2 rifle. We'll start with the Pistol and shot gun set up first. Once those are completed we usually have lunch while the two pistol stages are modified.
Some IPSC pistol stages are pretty long already. By moving a starting box or a couple of targets we can get close to 100 yards out. Although it's a hoot to do a house clearing stage with an AR.
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Pat, I'm desperate for some 3-gun matches, maybe desperate enough to drive over to your side of the state! Please let me know your schedule when it's solid. Thanks- Ned
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Ned, how desperate are you? We have two a month here in Colorado. That and five to six IPSC matches a month and two to three IDPA matches a month.
Shall I put on a pot of coffee and warm up a hemorrhoid pillow?
For 3 gun match stages, just think them up. Maybe try a virginia count El Pres with a rifle, at 150 yards. First string standing, second freestyle.
Men will be separated from boys shooting standing. Even open guys will have misses standing. Want to really challenge them, use turtle targets. The times will be close, but the points dropped will decide the winner.
Tom
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Shall I put on a pot of coffee and warm up a hemorrhoid pillow?
For 3 gun match stages, just think them up. Maybe try a virginia count El Pres with a rifle, at 150 yards. First string standing, second freestyle.
Men will be separated from boys shooting standing. Even open guys will have misses standing. Want to really challenge them, use turtle targets. The times will be close, but the points dropped will decide the winner.
Tom
AF Shooting Team
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While most of our courses are now field courses, we did a rifle course for a few years that was a tough test. We called it "A Balanced Rifle Course."
There were three strings, each ten rounds, two five shot runs.
You had to start each stage with your equipment in exactly the same configuration, and all gear you used had to be on your person.
Stage 1, 100 yards, one target. Five shots to the body, five shots to the head, no time limit. You could use a scope, sling or bipod, but they had to still be on the rifle for the next two stages.
Stage 2, 2-7 yards, five targets nestled down in the weeds. Two runs of one shot each, warp speed. And now you find out a scope at 2 yards sucks, and a bipod doesn't help.
Stage 3, 50 yards, five targets w/ no-shoots. Two runs, one shot each target. Do you sit, kneel, go prone? Not if you want to win. But don't hit a no-shoot.
The winners used low-power variables that they could crank up enough to score head shots a 100 yards. And as a shooting rest, a cardboard box with two "V" slots cut in it, attached to their belt with string.
We were debating allowing the boxes for future matches when we had a sudden change in the club, and had to abandon that course. (We couldn't just use an odd corner of any range, as we had to build overheads to satisfy the neighbors.)
For a few winters, we did "Mad Minute" which doesn't require movement. One target at 100 yards, one at 50, and you have sixty seconds. You must alternate individual shots between the targets (100-50-100-50-100-50.....) and we would score all your hits. We used a barricade with a port to require offhand, and no using the barricade for support.
We stopped because it was too hard on the rifles. The winning score the last time was sixty shots for 59 hits (I forget the points score) and it was 60 only because I muffed the second reload. Iron-sighted shorty.
Ned, we'll be shooting 3-gun April through October next year, 2nd Sunday of the month.
[This message has been edited by Patrick Sweeney (edited 11-17-2001).]
There were three strings, each ten rounds, two five shot runs.
You had to start each stage with your equipment in exactly the same configuration, and all gear you used had to be on your person.
Stage 1, 100 yards, one target. Five shots to the body, five shots to the head, no time limit. You could use a scope, sling or bipod, but they had to still be on the rifle for the next two stages.
Stage 2, 2-7 yards, five targets nestled down in the weeds. Two runs of one shot each, warp speed. And now you find out a scope at 2 yards sucks, and a bipod doesn't help.
Stage 3, 50 yards, five targets w/ no-shoots. Two runs, one shot each target. Do you sit, kneel, go prone? Not if you want to win. But don't hit a no-shoot.
The winners used low-power variables that they could crank up enough to score head shots a 100 yards. And as a shooting rest, a cardboard box with two "V" slots cut in it, attached to their belt with string.
We were debating allowing the boxes for future matches when we had a sudden change in the club, and had to abandon that course. (We couldn't just use an odd corner of any range, as we had to build overheads to satisfy the neighbors.)
For a few winters, we did "Mad Minute" which doesn't require movement. One target at 100 yards, one at 50, and you have sixty seconds. You must alternate individual shots between the targets (100-50-100-50-100-50.....) and we would score all your hits. We used a barricade with a port to require offhand, and no using the barricade for support.
We stopped because it was too hard on the rifles. The winning score the last time was sixty shots for 59 hits (I forget the points score) and it was 60 only because I muffed the second reload. Iron-sighted shorty.
Ned, we'll be shooting 3-gun April through October next year, 2nd Sunday of the month.
[This message has been edited by Patrick Sweeney (edited 11-17-2001).]
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Pat, if you're on a limited budget, I mean limited what semi auto shotgun would you buy to get started in three gun?
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The Remington 1100/11-87 in 12 gauge. You'll find the most accesories, more gunsmiths who know how to keep them running, and more parts when needed.
They will require more cleaning than others, but so what?
Buy 2-3/4" or 3" mag, but not anything in 3-1/2" If you get a 3" gun, you may find it doesn't run with the lightest ammo, which is why some shooters prefer 2-3/4" guns.
They will require more cleaning than others, but so what?
Buy 2-3/4" or 3" mag, but not anything in 3-1/2" If you get a 3" gun, you may find it doesn't run with the lightest ammo, which is why some shooters prefer 2-3/4" guns.
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I can attest to that. I have a Benelli Super Black Eagle and should have bought an M1 SUper 90 and get a spare barrel with the extra cash. Also, keep in mind that 3.5" guns don't have short barrels for them...or do they? Not Benelli at least, Remington may be different.
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Tom, I wouldn't have to be desparate to accept an invitation to CO!
I found one scheduled for next year fairly nearby, and gonna see what I can do to get over to Sweeney's AO for a few. Although with Pat in the mix I can expect to go home with a lump of coal for a prize....
Iron sights are fine for me for 100 yards and in, far as I'm concerned, all things considered. I do concede increased speed with dots and better accuracy with a scope, and I certainly don't poo-poo a rifle with either or even if it has both plus all the other stuff, as long as there are decent iron sights in place that are not blocked or disabled by the glass. I have one with an old Aimpoint mounted to the right sight of the carry handle, works great for heads-up, and allows a lot of peripheral vision. Gotta tilt the thing left kinda gangsta-style, probably looks stupid but it works, and the iron sights are 100% unobstructed.
I found one scheduled for next year fairly nearby, and gonna see what I can do to get over to Sweeney's AO for a few. Although with Pat in the mix I can expect to go home with a lump of coal for a prize....
Iron sights are fine for me for 100 yards and in, far as I'm concerned, all things considered. I do concede increased speed with dots and better accuracy with a scope, and I certainly don't poo-poo a rifle with either or even if it has both plus all the other stuff, as long as there are decent iron sights in place that are not blocked or disabled by the glass. I have one with an old Aimpoint mounted to the right sight of the carry handle, works great for heads-up, and allows a lot of peripheral vision. Gotta tilt the thing left kinda gangsta-style, probably looks stupid but it works, and the iron sights are 100% unobstructed.
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So I could buy any 1100 or 1187(except 3 1/2") and just put a extended mag tube on? Would this be good to go for limited?
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For something different, set up your Walls/Ports so half of the targets MUST be shot from the weak side. Anyone who has never fired slugs, buck, or rifle from the off side will think you evil!
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