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7.62X39 cheaper and about the same power. Best bang for your buck! :)
 

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Saw223 said:
7.62X39 cheaper and about the same power. Best bang for your buck! :)
Yup.

I wish a domestic manufacturer would make a lightweight semiauto 16" Barreled 7.62x39 rifle with a 10 round internal magazine feedable off of stripper clips that was highly accurate.

Basically something like an SKS but shorter, lighter and more mechanically accurate.
 

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The 7.62x39 may be cheaper, and it may have similar paper numbers - but I have doubts about any of the 125 grain expanding bullets matching the better 150 and 170 grain 30-30s on hostile targets.

I also think that the Winchester 94 is a much handier and better handling rifle with the exception of the Mini-14.
 

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Its not going to perform quite as well no doubt about it. The point is its close and its dirt cheap.

Id like to see a wound profile for it done up by Fackler or one of the other experts.

I agree the SKS is quite chunky.
 

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I don't think that the 7.62x39 is even close to the .30-30 in performance. These are the muzzle energy numbers from Chuck Hawks website:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/compared_30-30_7-62x39.htm

7.62x39, 123 grain at 2365 fps - ME 1527 ft. lbs., 1129 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 818 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
.30-30, 150 grain at 2390 fps -- ME 1902 ft. lbs., 1356 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 944 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
(there was also numbers for this load at 2480 fps but I did not use it as it is much faster than the Russian round)
.30-30, 170 grain at 2200 fps -- ME 1827 ft. lbs., 1355 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 989 ft. lbs. at 200 yards
This is from Gun Digest 1991
.30-30, 125 grain at 2570 fps -- ME 1830 ft. lbs., 1210 ft. lbs. at 100 yards, 770 ft. lbs. at 200 yards

Even the light 125 grain bullet from the .30-30 produces 20% more energy at the muzzle than does the 7.62x39. This is of course due to it's velocity but it surpasses it none the less. The 150 grain bullet from the .30-30 produces over 30% more muzzle engergy even though it's moving at basically the same speed as the 7.62x39. The 150 gr. still holds a 20% advantage at 100 yards. These are not minor differences and point to the fact (without getting into the heavy versus light bullet argument) that the .30-30 is indeed a much superior round.

For defensive use against human targets however most firearms designed for the .30-30 have a weakness. This is the fact that most of them are lever actions, and use a tubular magazine. This precludes the use of fully jacketed pointed bullets which will aid in penetration of barriers and body armor. At one time there was a pump gun made for .30-30 (by Savage?) which eliminated this problem. I believe that at least in close range shooting the round/flat nosed soft points will penetrate these things. At one hundred yards I'm not sure but for that matter I'm not sure about the 123 grain 7.62x39 either. Stay safe, Gary

*edited to correct spelling*
 

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You'll still find ammo much more readily available for the 30-30, but they are both great bang for the buck options. I think I got my SKS back in the day for $90 or something like that brand new, and ammo is still available I think for like $3.99 a box. I got it as a cheap deer rig one year, but never did get to try it.

I have to admit that I'd let the SKS go in a second over my model 94, though thats partially because my 94 is a pre 64 and has gobs of character and sentimental attachment to me.
 

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Personally, I like the .30-30. I have had a few 94's as well as a couple of Marlin 336s. All have shot within 2 MOA with 170 grain bullets. I also had a Savage bolt action that I handloaded some 110 grain spitzers, over a charge of 748, and it consistently shot 0.5 MOA!
 

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If we're talking Bang for the buck, cheaper than dirt has 7.62X39 122gr JHP for $1.59 for 20 rounds. Show me a place that has anything close to that price for new current production JHP 30-30 ammo. :)

P.S. I'm not saying the 30-30 is'nt a great round, just that there is others out there that give ya better bang for the buck. :)
 

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Personally, I like the .30-30. I have had a few 94's as well as a couple of Marlin 336s. All have shot within 2 MOA with 170 grain bullets. I also had a Savage bolt action that I handloaded some 110 grain spitzers, over a charge of 748, and it consistently shot 0.5 MOA!
Yeah, I almost mentioned those old savage bolts--I've never seen one yet that wasn't accurate as hell.
 

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30-30 best bang for the buck.
mmmmmm:scratch: ......... OK.:D

I picked up a Winny 94 in 30-30 for $175 this year. $8 - $10 per box for ammo at the local store and available at any WalMart.
 

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Gary W Trott said:
I don't think that the 7.62x39 is even close to the .30-30 in performance. These are the muzzle energy numbers from Chuck Hawks website:
I dont place alot of value on muzzle energy. I bet the .30-30 has a slight penetration advantage due to its weightier bullets, which is offset somewhat by the 7.62x39s pointed tip, particularly at maintaining velocity at longer ranges. On medium game like deer and human beings I bet the terminal performance would be almost identical just as the ballistic trajectories are very close. In softpoint they are both going to have a pretty large permanent cavities with generous temporary cavities and a pretty deep penetration of whats left of the bullet trailing out of that in both cases.
 

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30-30 best bang for the buck.
Buck as in money, or buck as in male deer? :biglaugh:
 

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bang for the buck

I like to think of the 94 Winchester/Marlin 336 as the "PC Assault Rifles" ... much less offensive looking and oh so very effective. One of the nice things about the tube magazine is that it can be topped up with a round in the chamber and the hammer back, still at the shoulder.

The old timers don't give up much to the SKS/AK family, unless you just want to shoot fast and make noise. Not too many of us will be attack by a gang of outlaw bikers or a swarm of zombies (at least not in this life). A lever gun does - or could do - it for most of us.

Blake
 
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