9mm 1911?
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I've been looking for one also, for that reason. The price of ammo these days.B_RAD said:
I like the 9mm ballistics "for what it is".
The .45 is much better. I will still mostly carry the 45.:rock:
I like the offerings from Springfield Armory, just can't find one.
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Nothing wrong with a 9mm 1911.
I have 2 of them; a Springfield EMP for carry, and a Kimber Tactical Pro 4" for target/competition. I had a Kimber .45, but I traded it in because the cost of ammo was killing me, (I don't reload.) I can get 9mm for about 1/2 the cost of .45 ACP.
The accuracy is actually pretty good, but I admit that I've never really tried to test it at 25 yds. Last night at our tactical competition, I was easily shooting around 1" at 10 yds with my Kimber, and that was a timed event so I was shooting fast double-taps.
I have 2 of them; a Springfield EMP for carry, and a Kimber Tactical Pro 4" for target/competition. I had a Kimber .45, but I traded it in because the cost of ammo was killing me, (I don't reload.) I can get 9mm for about 1/2 the cost of .45 ACP.
The accuracy is actually pretty good, but I admit that I've never really tried to test it at 25 yds. Last night at our tactical competition, I was easily shooting around 1" at 10 yds with my Kimber, and that was a timed event so I was shooting fast double-taps.
Springfield
I have a Sprinfield 9mm Loaded with adjustable sights.
It is a hoot to shoot!
Only complaint I have is that approx. 20% of the magazines I use in it will not lock the slide back.
Currently, I am looking at an EMP or a Kimber Pro Tactical in 9mm to shake things up a little.
BTW, I LOVE the 45 ACP as much as the next guy, but variety is the spice of life!
Don
I have a Sprinfield 9mm Loaded with adjustable sights.
It is a hoot to shoot!
Only complaint I have is that approx. 20% of the magazines I use in it will not lock the slide back.
Currently, I am looking at an EMP or a Kimber Pro Tactical in 9mm to shake things up a little.
BTW, I LOVE the 45 ACP as much as the next guy, but variety is the spice of life!
Don
Fusion builds a great 9mm 1911, for a very fair price. I am extremely happy with the longslide 9 they built me.
As for why 9 over .45acp, it comes down to economics. I would prefer to shoot .45acp, but I can shoot twice as much 9mm as I can .45acp for the same $100 bill, sometimes even more.
As for why 9 over .45acp, it comes down to economics. I would prefer to shoot .45acp, but I can shoot twice as much 9mm as I can .45acp for the same $100 bill, sometimes even more.
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FWIW - I have a Kimber Pro Carry in 9MM. Got it last Summer for just under $800. I use the Kimber mags (from Midway) and have had very good service out of it. The perceived recoil of the 9MM in the alloy frame is very close to the 45 in an all steel gun.
Two failures, in the first magazine (one FTF and one pre-LB) no failures since (over 1,000 rounds). FUN to shoot but, in my opinion, marginal for SD.
I really like having all controls, sights, action and even recoil (see above) for practice. Saves quite a bit on ammo. I reload and the 45s are about 17 cents each and the 9MM are about 10 cents each.
Two failures, in the first magazine (one FTF and one pre-LB) no failures since (over 1,000 rounds). FUN to shoot but, in my opinion, marginal for SD.
I really like having all controls, sights, action and even recoil (see above) for practice. Saves quite a bit on ammo. I reload and the 45s are about 17 cents each and the 9MM are about 10 cents each.
reducing recoil and cost
Since I (still) have 'significant' amounts of 9mm components, and I am slowly suffering the affects of aging, I decided my third 1911 would be a 9.
Checked with a friend who'd had a Springfield full-size that I knew shot decently, but he'd sold it a year or more back.
Visited biggest local gunshop, and they said they "maybe had one, but it was used. Comes with eight mags, though".
Found it for me to look at, and its serial # (174567) sent alarms ringing in me head.
Called friend back, and (since he owns gunshop) asked him if the 9 I'd asked him about was on his books, and could he look up that sale.
Same gun.
Yes, I bought it.
Took it home, cleaned it up, stuck stuff I like on it (flat checkered MSH, trigger junk, widened rear sight notch, etc.) and went shootin' (out my back door).
Poor accuracy; tried numerous loads, still poor.
Kept shootin', still poor.
Time passed, rds went through it, but its accuracy, while seeming to get better, still wasn't sufficient for me.
But more rds and it kept getting better.
Let Bullseye-shooting friend try it, and he got the same results as me: decent enough for 2 A's in the 'upper panel' at 10 yds, but not great.
Decided to install a Dawson front fiber-optic, so I solvent-tank-cleaned the slide, and just because, dropped the bushing in.
Rattle.
Measuring showed .011" total between slide / bushing / barrel.
Installed a Nowlin bushing (.001" total) and now I got me a super-accurate 9x19 5" 1911.
(And more recently traded into a 5" 40 S&W version, and installed a Kart bushing, and got superb accuracy with that one, too!)
Since I (still) have 'significant' amounts of 9mm components, and I am slowly suffering the affects of aging, I decided my third 1911 would be a 9.
Checked with a friend who'd had a Springfield full-size that I knew shot decently, but he'd sold it a year or more back.
Visited biggest local gunshop, and they said they "maybe had one, but it was used. Comes with eight mags, though".
Found it for me to look at, and its serial # (174567) sent alarms ringing in me head.
Called friend back, and (since he owns gunshop) asked him if the 9 I'd asked him about was on his books, and could he look up that sale.
Same gun.
Yes, I bought it.
Took it home, cleaned it up, stuck stuff I like on it (flat checkered MSH, trigger junk, widened rear sight notch, etc.) and went shootin' (out my back door).
Poor accuracy; tried numerous loads, still poor.
Kept shootin', still poor.
Time passed, rds went through it, but its accuracy, while seeming to get better, still wasn't sufficient for me.
But more rds and it kept getting better.
Let Bullseye-shooting friend try it, and he got the same results as me: decent enough for 2 A's in the 'upper panel' at 10 yds, but not great.
Decided to install a Dawson front fiber-optic, so I solvent-tank-cleaned the slide, and just because, dropped the bushing in.
Rattle.
Measuring showed .011" total between slide / bushing / barrel.
Installed a Nowlin bushing (.001" total) and now I got me a super-accurate 9x19 5" 1911.
(And more recently traded into a 5" 40 S&W version, and installed a Kart bushing, and got superb accuracy with that one, too!)
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Bought a new Springfield, full-size, 1911, 9mm about 3 yrs ago. It functioned fine, but had an atrocious trigger and mediocre accuracy. After a trigger job at Wilson's, it had a great trigger but still mediocre accuracy - about 3" groups @ 25 yards from a sandbag rest.
After reading many good things on this forum, I sent the pistol to EGW for installation and fitting of a new "match" barrel and bushing. EGW has had the pistol for a little over three months, and I'm expecting it back any day. George @ EGW said the pistol should now be capable of 1.5-2" groups @ 25 yds. I'm very excited and eagerly looking forward to receiving my pistol back from EGW. Oh, BTW, I replaced the factory Novak sights with a Dawson fibre optic front and STI adjustable rear.
Have about a dozen Metalform mags, mostly from a group buy on this forum a few years ago. Have both the "regular" and "springfield" styles, and both work flawlessly in my pistol.
After reading many good things on this forum, I sent the pistol to EGW for installation and fitting of a new "match" barrel and bushing. EGW has had the pistol for a little over three months, and I'm expecting it back any day. George @ EGW said the pistol should now be capable of 1.5-2" groups @ 25 yds. I'm very excited and eagerly looking forward to receiving my pistol back from EGW. Oh, BTW, I replaced the factory Novak sights with a Dawson fibre optic front and STI adjustable rear.
Have about a dozen Metalform mags, mostly from a group buy on this forum a few years ago. Have both the "regular" and "springfield" styles, and both work flawlessly in my pistol.
I've owned a Kimber Tactical Pro II 9mm for a couple years now. It's a great shooter, but it usually doesn't lock the slide back when empty. I use Kimber mags.
I just ordered 2 of the Tripp 10 round mags a few days ago....hopefully that fixes the problem.
Good luck.
I just ordered 2 of the Tripp 10 round mags a few days ago....hopefully that fixes the problem.
Good luck.
I have a Stainless Springfield Loaded with adj. sights. I wouldn't call it a tack driver but it works fine for IDPA. I have had great results with both 9 and the new 10 round Metalform mags.
I bought it used for $600 with 6 mags, holster and mag carrier a couple of years ago.
If you can go a couple of hundred over budget a STI Trojan would be a great pistol.
I bought it used for $600 with 6 mags, holster and mag carrier a couple of years ago.
If you can go a couple of hundred over budget a STI Trojan would be a great pistol.
So far:
1.) Springer combat sighted SS 1911 loaded 9mm. A work horse of a gun.
2.) Springer target sighted SS 1911 loaded 9mm......gone to a new home after a lot of solid rounds down range. New owner is a good friend who loves that gun.
3.) Springer slide/Caspian framed combat sighted 1911 9mm. One accurate weapon in hand.
4.) Recently purchased an old and very well used Mil Spec Springer 1911 9mm. It needed acc-u-rails to revive it as well as a new C&S trigger group. The oiginal trigger had an 8 lb pull. That gun is now my most accurate next to my Wilson Combat CQB .45.
5.) STI Ranger II 9mm Commander.
6.) The newest.....just scored an STI Trojan 9mm. It was NIB at a used gun price.
Other than one of the Springers coming in with a slide to frame fit that was too tight and the Springer Mil Spec needing an entire work over my 9mm's have functioned great right out of the box as well as being very accurate shooters. I am more than pleased with the accuracy from a modified weaver shooting stance.
As to why the 9mm? For me:
Just great guns to shoot. Mine are deadly accurate. Ammo costs a lot less than the .45. I also have a slightly wanged up right arm. I can basically shoot the 9mm 1911 a lot longer at a stretch than I can my .45's these days.
My mags are all Metalform and function fine.
My SD/HD weapons are all still 1911 .45's but I get a ton of shooting time in with the 9mm's these days. Since I shoot roughtly 3 times a week it really saves on the ammo.
Be safe, shoot well. :rock:
1.) Springer combat sighted SS 1911 loaded 9mm. A work horse of a gun.
2.) Springer target sighted SS 1911 loaded 9mm......gone to a new home after a lot of solid rounds down range. New owner is a good friend who loves that gun.
3.) Springer slide/Caspian framed combat sighted 1911 9mm. One accurate weapon in hand.
4.) Recently purchased an old and very well used Mil Spec Springer 1911 9mm. It needed acc-u-rails to revive it as well as a new C&S trigger group. The oiginal trigger had an 8 lb pull. That gun is now my most accurate next to my Wilson Combat CQB .45.
5.) STI Ranger II 9mm Commander.
6.) The newest.....just scored an STI Trojan 9mm. It was NIB at a used gun price.
Other than one of the Springers coming in with a slide to frame fit that was too tight and the Springer Mil Spec needing an entire work over my 9mm's have functioned great right out of the box as well as being very accurate shooters. I am more than pleased with the accuracy from a modified weaver shooting stance.
As to why the 9mm? For me:
Just great guns to shoot. Mine are deadly accurate. Ammo costs a lot less than the .45. I also have a slightly wanged up right arm. I can basically shoot the 9mm 1911 a lot longer at a stretch than I can my .45's these days.
My mags are all Metalform and function fine.
My SD/HD weapons are all still 1911 .45's but I get a ton of shooting time in with the 9mm's these days. Since I shoot roughtly 3 times a week it really saves on the ammo.
Be safe, shoot well. :rock:
Why the 9MM. This is good reading. http://www.greent.com/40Page/ammo/9/9mm-advoc.htm
My next purchase, and first 1911, will be a Wilson CQB Elite in 9mm, I hope.
Philip
My next purchase, and first 1911, will be a Wilson CQB Elite in 9mm, I hope.
Philip
I also shoot a SA 1911 9mm with adj sights, what a scream. I can hold 2" groups to 50'. For fun I wait till the spray n pray crowd finish making their targets swiss cheese, then I run a target to 7 yards and shoot a 9 round one hole group, very easy to do with my gun. Get your mags from SA they work very good, no FTF, FTE and they lock the slide back every time. Find someone that has a loaded coupon and buy them for 1/2 price, then buy a dozen.
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