I would say go with what you like (though instead of the 400 Cor-Bon I would consider the .40 Super). I would also consider the .45 Super since you can use regular .45 ACP in it for competition.Originally posted by Frank Sottile:
Looking to buil a Kick A*s 1911 for IPSC, IDPA and Hunting. What is the standing of the following calibers;
9x23mm (my fav)?
THANKS to all for all the Help and Knowelge that you have past on, your words do NOT fall on deaf ears.Frank,
I noticed you have got a lot of different opinions on this board, and the other ones I noticed you posting to as well. I hope you haven't confused yourself, with information overload.
I have shot 1911s in every caliber mentioned here, except the .460 Rowland and .357 Sig. For my money, the most optimum balance of power and control, is the 9x23. I like the 10mm, but it is a little too hot in the 1911, IMO. The 9x23 recoil impulse in much easier to deal with, and the sights are back on target faster. It is the easiest to do rapid double tap work with.
I hate to disagree with mi hombre Manny, but the ballistics of the 9x23 IS superior to the .45 ACP. No getting around, energy = mass x velocity (squared). The 9x23 is the ballistic equivalent of the .357 Magnum, which most will concede is the best manstopper. Some competitive shooters are even using Vektan SP2 powder, to push the 125gr 9x23 to 1550 fps. They are also getting 1400 w/147gr bullets. The case will take it, as they are (according to Winchester) the strongest centerfire pistol brass ever made. Nice bonus, the brass can be reloaded many more times than any other can be.
The 10mm is more similar to the .41 Magnum ballistics, and as I noted, too hot in the 1911 for my purposes. However, I am sorely tempted to have Brian Bilby build me a 6" STI doublestack gun. I think that would be an awesome gun, but not for CCW purposes. Which is why my bias is toward the 9x23, for that end.
Can you hunt with it? Oh, sure, Dane Burns tells me he has taken a couple deer with his, but I can think of MANY other firearms I would choose first. Ironically, the next deer I will likely shoot, will be taken with a recurve bow!
Frank, I gotta agree with Rosco, about the "swap caliber" idea. I have even had a second complete top end fitted in a different caliber before, but after it sat around (mostly) unused for several years, I ended up having a frame fitted to it, and having another gun out of the deal. To my mind, the *idea* of having the extra barrel for cheap practice is good, but in practice, the .22LR ends up being the true money saver for practice shooting. It really does accomplish the same thing, but will cost you FAR less, in the long run.
Am I gonna stop shooting .45ACP? I probably never will. In fact, I can't wait for two new custom .45s I ordered to get finished. I will never feel under gunned with a .45 -- the round DOES work VERY well. But, the 9x23 gives me slightly better ballistics, is easier to shoot fast, feeds smoother (round is loaded closer to the boreline, than the fatter .45 is), carries more rounds (10+1). Plus I have some nifty J-frames that are also chambered in 9x23, that make for a truly caliber compatible backup piece.
Bottom line, the 1911 is still the finest fighting handgun design every created. Any of the calibers you mentioned would be OK, but I gotta give the edge to the 9x23. IMO, the 9x23 is the point of diminishing returns for balancing stopping power, with controllability, in a 1911 package. Try it, you'll like it!