Federal law prohibits any external markings or tags from being put on checked cases containing firearms.
Knowing this part of the law could have prevented this from happening and probably avoided the attempt at pilfering.
Don
A consideration when boking travel for the ccw'er
I am flying in a couple of days to Kansas that has reciprocity with Arizona, although the tickets were super cheap ($40.00 each way Mesa Az.- Wichita), they charge $40.00 for any checked luggage. That ends up being an $80.00 fee if I want to pack my gun, or knife...since it is only a four day trip, that works out to $20.00 a day to carry.
Fed-exing my gun to the hotel would cost about the same, and I really don't like having a gun floating around out there unless it is on it's way to a Smith or the factory.
I hate making a tradeoff when it comes to personal security, but for this price it was too good to pass up...
Maybe I will buy a crossman air pistol and coat the bbs in pepper spray when I get there....:biglaugh:
Fed-exing my gun to the hotel would cost about the same, and I really don't like having a gun floating around out there unless it is on it's way to a Smith or the factory.
I hate making a tradeoff when it comes to personal security, but for this price it was too good to pass up...
Maybe I will buy a crossman air pistol and coat the bbs in pepper spray when I get there....:biglaugh:
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Knowing this part of the law could have prevented this from happening and probably avoided the attempt at pilfering.
Don
Exactly. It doesn't matter if its a bag in a bag. The declaration/affidavit goes INSIDE the case, with the gun.
Its been that way for at least 12 or 13 years.
I remember because I got into an argument with a check in clerk at JFK when I was going to visit my ex-father-in-law to do some hunting about exactly this issue. A supervisor set the clerk straight. I married her in 95, divorced in 97. So it was sometime in that time frame.
One other thing. I don't check guns in at the curb. I wait in the often crappy, terrible line at the ticket counter.
Its been that way for at least 12 or 13 years.
I remember because I got into an argument with a check in clerk at JFK when I was going to visit my ex-father-in-law to do some hunting about exactly this issue. A supervisor set the clerk straight. I married her in 95, divorced in 97. So it was sometime in that time frame.
One other thing. I don't check guns in at the curb. I wait in the often crappy, terrible line at the ticket counter.
I was making reference to Silvercorvette's comment that when he had the incident he checked the gun at the curb. He's since clarified that it was not given to one of the contractor sky caps.You cannot check at weapon at the curb.. Federal regulations require that you are required to turn your weapon over to the CARRIER and declare it. The staffing of many curb side check ins are contractors are not airline employees, therefore it's illegal.
Cite from 27 CFR SS 478.31
Swinokur,
You are both right as far as NY and FOPA.
First, the problem only exists with handguns.
Long guns are not a problem.
The problem is that the Port Authority (The semi-public entity that manages NY's airports, ports, bridges and tunnels) police are under orders to ignore FOPA.
So if you show up at a NY airport with a handgun, chances are you will be arrested.
The charges will eventually be dropped. But it will cost you money and travel time to NY to defend yourself.
This will continue until someone files a civil rights suit against the port authority and it costs them dearly. Otherwise they will continue the policy.
The most egregious case was of a man who was not even planning to fly to NY. His plane was diverted to LGA for weather. (Lets pretend he was flying from FL to NH for now) When he showed back up at LGA check in counter with his gun, he was arrested.
The safe passage portion of FOPA is ignored as a matter of policy at the Port Authority.
Going into JFK with a gun to check is on my list of thing to do once my kids are out of the house. That and setting fire to surveillance cameras in New Haven.
Also, I've flown out of LGA and Hartford since 9/11 and have never been asked to check a gun at the curb. I really don't like that.
Actually the biggest hassle I had was in New Orleans. I was flying back home after a hunting and sporting clays trip. I had a Benelli Super Black Eagle II in one case and a Beretta 687 in another.
They started giving me a lot of crap when I tried to insure the Beretta for $3500. "how do we know its worth that much?"
Stupid. It was like it was their first time doing this kind of thing.
You are both right as far as NY and FOPA.
First, the problem only exists with handguns.
Long guns are not a problem.
The problem is that the Port Authority (The semi-public entity that manages NY's airports, ports, bridges and tunnels) police are under orders to ignore FOPA.
So if you show up at a NY airport with a handgun, chances are you will be arrested.
The charges will eventually be dropped. But it will cost you money and travel time to NY to defend yourself.
This will continue until someone files a civil rights suit against the port authority and it costs them dearly. Otherwise they will continue the policy.
The most egregious case was of a man who was not even planning to fly to NY. His plane was diverted to LGA for weather. (Lets pretend he was flying from FL to NH for now) When he showed back up at LGA check in counter with his gun, he was arrested.
The safe passage portion of FOPA is ignored as a matter of policy at the Port Authority.
Going into JFK with a gun to check is on my list of thing to do once my kids are out of the house. That and setting fire to surveillance cameras in New Haven.
Also, I've flown out of LGA and Hartford since 9/11 and have never been asked to check a gun at the curb. I really don't like that.
Actually the biggest hassle I had was in New Orleans. I was flying back home after a hunting and sporting clays trip. I had a Benelli Super Black Eagle II in one case and a Beretta 687 in another.
They started giving me a lot of crap when I tried to insure the Beretta for $3500. "how do we know its worth that much?"
Stupid. It was like it was their first time doing this kind of thing.
swinokur,
Has anyone tried to fly with a handgun out of JFK, EWR, or LGA??
If nobody's been arrested because nobody's flown with a handgun, then it doesn't mean anything.
I'm not sure you are right, but I hope that you are.
The problem is that they won't ever let a test case get to trial. The traveller is arrested and his guns are taken. Then the charges are dropped. So it never gets to court.
If there was any assurance of a trial, I'm sure some NY gunowners would volunteer.
Don
Has anyone tried to fly with a handgun out of JFK, EWR, or LGA??
If nobody's been arrested because nobody's flown with a handgun, then it doesn't mean anything.
I'm not sure you are right, but I hope that you are.
The problem is that they won't ever let a test case get to trial. The traveller is arrested and his guns are taken. Then the charges are dropped. So it never gets to court.
If there was any assurance of a trial, I'm sure some NY gunowners would volunteer.
Don
This is kindof off topic but in November 2001 I ferried a single engine plane back from Seattle to Connecticut.
I had a big duffel full of survival gear including knives, a .22 rifle, first aid kit and all kinds of stuff. I was a little nervous about it only 2 months after 9/11.
I was surprised when I had no trouble whatsoever. The woman at the check in said a lot of hunters go out west with rifles. It was pretty standard.
When i got to the security check in it was a whole 'nother story.
It seems that my carry-on containing an aviation handheld radio, mapping GPS and a full set of sectional charts from Seattle to New York FREAKED them out.
To make matters worse I had been letting the weather guide my departure date, so I had just purchased my ONE WAY ticket THAT DAY.
I was pushed up 3 levels of questioning. In all cases they were polite but definitely rattled. I finally asked them if they were done and they allowed me on the flight. But they must have tipped off the flight attendants because they stopped by my seat to chat me up and assess my status about every 15 minutes all the way from Hartford to Seattle.
Don
I had a big duffel full of survival gear including knives, a .22 rifle, first aid kit and all kinds of stuff. I was a little nervous about it only 2 months after 9/11.
I was surprised when I had no trouble whatsoever. The woman at the check in said a lot of hunters go out west with rifles. It was pretty standard.
When i got to the security check in it was a whole 'nother story.
It seems that my carry-on containing an aviation handheld radio, mapping GPS and a full set of sectional charts from Seattle to New York FREAKED them out.
To make matters worse I had been letting the weather guide my departure date, so I had just purchased my ONE WAY ticket THAT DAY.
I was pushed up 3 levels of questioning. In all cases they were polite but definitely rattled. I finally asked them if they were done and they allowed me on the flight. But they must have tipped off the flight attendants because they stopped by my seat to chat me up and assess my status about every 15 minutes all the way from Hartford to Seattle.
Don
When he went back to JFK the next morning to get on the flight to get home he had to re-check his bags. Thats when the trouble happened.So, my question is this about arriving in NY. The example given of the fella who got arrested after his flight got delayed and diverted to NY, if the suitcase or case holding the weapon is not supposed to marked as having a weapon, how do the authorities know you have a weapon? Do they consult the computer or data from the computer and simply wait at the luggage carousel and then arrest you? That seems wrong to me. Mighty, mighty strange. It seems they should give you the opportunity to leave your luggage in safe-keeping to avoid arrest. So, the choice is get arrested or leave your luggage? What a jacked up system!
Anybody know how the authorities knew they possessed a firearm? I have flown many times and the luggage claim area seems deserted of all but travelers.
I have a similar set of books called airguides. They are just like a Jep guide but are smaller, only about 6x6. It works out better for me in my plane which is a tandem 2 seater so you have to keep the book on your lap.At least you didn't have your JEPS with you. right? That would have been worse.
They were in my flight bag also. Along with a couple of Surefire lights.
The thing I'd really like to know is if the Port Authority has relented on this in consideraton of the law suits.
Note: I say "Port Authority" because this is not a NY thing. Its a port authority thing. The port authority also runs Newark.
Note: I say "Port Authority" because this is not a NY thing. Its a port authority thing. The port authority also runs Newark.
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