Go to "search" and type in Accu-rails as a subject-- I was also looking for some feedback on this. Had used them on more game-oriented guns and came across the exact situation you have-- LW Commander, too much shake. Check it out.
Originally I have never seen or heard of a railed gun failing.
I had a steel gun in .38 super that was assembled from a cheap aluminum frame with Accu-Rails and ran two Shock Buffs shooting very minor loads. It was great for many tens of thousands of rounds. I shot the dog lumps out of it. When it failed it failed big time. It locked up and I thought maybe a link or guide rod, who knows untill you get it apart. When I managed to get the slide off, the rails(not the Accu-rails) poured out of the gun in crumbs. This is not a critisisim. It was well used. I don't know that I would use them on a alum. carry gun with full power ammo if I was going to shoot it a lot. I would think a person would have to shoot a stock one a lot to see any sigificant wear on the frame rails. On the other hand it was buttery smooth when it came back Accu-Railed and maintained that fit and feel up til' the time it disolved.
Howdy PG,Originally posted by PG:
I should have been more specific. It had been a long day. I meant that I was not aware of a railed gun failing due to the accu-rails. In your situation, was the failure a product of a cheap frame or the accu-rails, or a combination? My reason for the rails on my carry gun was to much slide to frame slop and if I carry it , I will shoot it to remain competent. My thinking was that it would increase the useful life. I wanted steel on steel. I fired many full power loads, including corbon. I shot quite a few IPSC matches with it using hard-ball. It is still very tight with 100% reliability. It has been retired. From your post you must be an impressive steel shooter. Do you make out to the west coast for the steel challenge?
Originally posted by Larry Vickers:
Ball ammo - You guy's need to know ball ammo is some seriously over penetrating stuff.
That is a given. Some like the resulting two holes instead of just one. The effects of a hand gun round on a human target is pretty iffy to begin with unless it is extremely well placed no matter what the ammo is.
I would be real interested to know out of these millions of rounds that get fired just how many actually have been used on humans since the primary weapon is a 223?
No question someone should have learned how to run a 1911 if you are shooting a million rounds a year, but to what end? My understanding is the 228s get used more than a 1911 does or even the Beretta, in your house.
Past that I would bet that more humans have been killed with ball ammo than any other 45 round. I would also bet that in the last 25 years more humans have been killed by the civil population with 1911s than all of the US Military combined. And there are damn few civilains that shoot even a 500 rounds a year. The ones that shoot more seldom get into gun fights.
I have seen more guns fail in a civilain environment because some guy is hording and recycling his expensive carry ammo than I have seen ball fail to work in a factory built gun. ( I do agree not all ball is created equal) So while the military experience and millions of rounds are an interesting data point how that relates to a civilian population, I have to wonder.
I suspect it doesn't at all.
Let me be forthright here, Larry. I think you have some good info, I obviously think you build a decent gun (other wise I would have never have ordered two from you). My "liking" what you have to say has nothing to do with your commentary. I just disagree with the value you seem to place on the "millions of rounds" you "see" go down range.Originally posted by Larry Vickers:
Virtually unlimited reasources at my work place have given me the opportunity to learn some things about guns and shooting over the 12 plus years I've been here - I've simply been exposed to more than any civilian I know. Much of what I know I can't share but what I can I will - some of you may like it, some (obviously) will not. So be it.