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This Document Produced on 09/19/01

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Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration
Promotional and Career Opportunities
Vacancy Announcement Number: FAA-ACS-01-FAM-59569
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from: http://jobs.faa.gov/
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Open Date: Sep 19,2001
Close Date: Open Continuous
Position: Civil Aviation Security Specialist (Federal Air Marshal),FV-1801-G, H, or I, Job Category:Technical
Salary Range: $35,100 to $80,800
Location: Various
Organization Location: Federal Aviation Administration, Associate Administrator for Civil Aviation Security
PCS: Expenses are not authorized for relocation/moving expenses.
Area of Consideration: All Sources
Duties: Federal Air Marshals (FAMs) respond to criminal incidents aboard U.S. air carriers, as well as other in-flight emergencies. FAMs are authorized to carry firearms and make arrests, while preserving the safety of aircraft, crew, and passengers.
NOTES: 1. The basic salary range is reflected above. The salary range for each pay band is G - $35,100 to $54,300; H - $42,800 to $66,200; and I - $52,200 to $80,800. In addition, positions are covered by the 25% Law Enforcement Availability Pay. Salary will be adjusted to include locality pay based on the duty location of the position.
2. FAMs perform regular and extended travel, both foreign and domestic, for several weeks at a time. They work irregular hours and shifts, and are on call 24 hours per day. While deployed, they have limited personal contact with family and limited time off. FAMs travel to and spend time in foreign countries that are sometimes politically or economically unstable, and may pose a high probability of terrorist or criminal activity against the U.S. Government. In addition, some locations may present health hazards such as poor sanitation and unsafe water.
3. FAMs must be eligible for and maintain a TOP SECRET security clearance based upon a favorably adjudicated special background investigation as a condition of employment.
4. Release of sensitive or classified information may be basis for removal from the position.
5. FAMs are subject to drug and alcohol testing, random, and as needed.
6. FAMs are required to maintain firearms certification and to participate in all elements of the FAM physical fitness program.
7. FAMs are required to have annual wellness physicals to meet and maintain medical standards.
8. FAM positions are covered by the 20 and 25-year retirement provisions of 5 U.S.C. 8336(c) and 8412(d).
CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENTS: Candidates must be U.S. citizens.
AGE REQUIREMENTS: Candidates must be under 37 years of age. Candidates CANNOT be initially appointed to covered Federal law enforcement officer positions on or after their 37th birthday. Previous experience in a covered Federal law enforcement position may exempt candidates from this age requirement. Proof of date of birth will be required.
QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS: FV-G: 3 years of general experience. Such experience may have been gained in administrative, professional, technical, investigative, or other progressively responsible work; OR Completion of all requirements for a bachelor's degree in any field.
FV-H: One year of specialized experience equivalent to the FV-G level. Examples include law enforcement experience; e.g., conducting criminal investigations; performing inspections or evaluations to determine compliance with laws and regulations affecting aviation; developing or implementing policies or procedures affecting aviation security; and providing security risk, threat, or vulnerability assessments related to aviation security; OR Completion of all requirements for a doctoral degree or three full academic years of graduate education in criminal justice, public administration, police science, law, or aviation management.
FV-I: One year of specialized experience equivalent to the FV-H level.
FAA Core Compensation: Effective April 23, 2000, the FAA adopted a new pay system for Federal Air Marshal positions. These positions are now in the Technical job category under Core Compensation. Positions formerly at the FG-5/7/9 grade levels are now in level 1, pay band G; positions formerly at the FG-11/12 grade levels are now in level 2, pay band H; and positions formerly at the FG-13 grade level are now in level 3, pay band I.
Medical Standard: The position requires that applicants meet a medical standard that includes requirements such as normal color vision, EKG, and hearing.
Determination of Eligibility: Based on responses to FAA Form 59569, applicants' relevant education, experience, and possession of requisite knowledge, skills, abilities, and other characteristics will be used to determine basic eligibility for this position and to identify candidates for further assessment. If referred for further assessment, applicants will be required to complete the following: 1. Interview; 2. Weapons Manipulation Test; 3. Medical examination, including a psychological test, administered by the FAA; and 4. Preemployment drug test. In addition, applicants referred for further assessment will be required to complete additional pre-employment forms, including the SF-86, Questionnaire for National Security Positions; provide proof of citizenship, date of birth, veterans preference, education, training, and certificates claimed; and provide a list of at least 3 references who have direct knowledge of their professional or educational accomplishments and job-related skills and abilities.
Term of Eligibility: If rated eligible, applicants may be considered for Federal Air Marshal vacancies for one (1) year.
Post-Employment Eligibility Requirements: Candidates hired into FAM positions must successfully complete the following training to remain eligible for the position: 1. Criminal Investigator Course at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center: Pass/fail components include written examinations and practical exercises based on classroom instruction, a physical fitness test, and firearms qualification tests. 2. Advanced Federal Air Marshal Training: The training includes pass/fail components for advanced firearms and close quarters countermeasures. FAILURE TO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING CENTER REQUIREMENTS OR THE ADVANCED FEDERAL AIR MARSHAL TRAINING OR TO OBTAIN A TOP SECRET CLEARANCE WILL RESULT IN TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT AS A FEDERAL AIR MARSHAL. ANY SUBSEQUENT PLACEMENT IN ANOTHER POSITION IS NOT GUARANTEED AND EMPLOYMENT WITH THE FAA CAN BE TERMINATED.
Lautenberg Amendment (P.L. 104-208, Section 658): Individuals who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence are ineligible to possess or receive firearms and therefore cannot be employed as Federal Air Marshals. A "crime of domestic violence" is defined as a misdemeanor under Federal or State law which involves the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon, by a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabitating with or has cohabitated with the victim as a spouse, parent, or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim. A person will not be considered to have been convicted of a crime of domestic violence unless (1) the person was represented by a counsel in the case, or had knowingly and intelligently waived the right to counsel; and (2) if the person was entitled to a jury trial in the jurisdiction in which the case was to be tried, the person either received a jury trial or knowingly and intelligently waived the right to a jury trial by pleading guilty or otherwise. A person shall not be considered to have been convicted if the conviction has been set aside or expunged or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored, unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provided that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.
Multiple Positions: Multiple positions will be filled from this announcement.
Application Package: In order to apply, submit ONLY FAA Form 59569, Application for Employment with the Federal Aviation Administration and the optional Race and National Origin Identification, FAA CAPS RNO 10/97. DO NOT SUBMIT ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION AT THIS TIME. ALL EXTRANEOUS MATERIALS WILL BE SHREDDED WITHOUT REVIEW. Failure to respond to all requested items on FAA Form 59569 may result in a determination of ineligibility. NOTE: As of October 1, 2001, a web-based version of FAA Form 59569 will be available for applicants to complete and submit on-line.
For More Information: If you have questions, please contact the Aviation Careers Division by telephone at (405) 954-4657, by fax at (405) 954-6397, or e-mail at [email protected]
Where to Send Applications: Complete FAA Form 59569, Application for Employment with the Federal Aviation Administration. This form is available as part of the announcement on the FAA's web site at http://jobs.faa.gov, at FAA personnel offices, or from the address below. Submit the application questionnaire to:
Aviation Careers Division AMH300
FAA Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
PO Box 26650
Oklahoma City, OK 73126-0650

Overnight address:

Aviation Careers Division AMH300
HQ Bldg RM 111
FAA Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
6500 S MacArthur Blvd
Oklahoma City, OK 73169-6901

NOTE: As of October 1, 2001, a web-based version of FAA Form 59569 will be available for applicants to complete and submit on-line.

Contact Information: Aviation Careers Division    405-954-4657
Financial Disclosure The person selected for this position may be required to file a financial disclosure statement within 30 days of entry on duty. FAA policy limits certain outside employment and financial investments in aviation-related companies.
Privacy Act Requirements: Collection of personal identification data is authorized under the Privacy Act (P.L. 93-579).
Equal Employment and Reasonable Accommodation: The FAA does not discriminate on the basis of political affiliation, race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, age, disability, or any other characteristics not bearing on job performance. On an individual case basis, this agency also makes reasonable accommodations for applicants with disabilities. If you need accommodation in any part of the application or hiring process, please notify the agency contact listed elsewhere in this announcement.
Prohibition on Personal Use of Government Postage-Paid Envelopes: Use of postage-paid Government envelopes to file job applications is a violation of Federal laws and regulations. Applications submitted in postage-paid Government envelopes will not be considered.
FAA vacancy information and certain application forms are now available on the FAA's World Wide Web site at: http://jobs.faa.gov or by calling our Faxback system at (405)954-0250.
What resume must contain is detailed here
The following forms are electronically attached for your convenience:


FAA Form 59569 :Civil Aviation Security Specialist(Federal Air Marshal)



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Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? (Who Shall Guard the Guards?)

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Sorry... in my haste, I mispelled marshal in posting this. Dohhhhh.
 

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Thanks, Mall Ninja. Exactly the info I asked for.

Considering the numbers of FAM's needed, could the age requirement be waived? I heard that maybe skill with firearms would be a big factor. HA! Wrong! The federal bureaucracy will impede hiring of the requisite numbers of FAMs.
 

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I say us old farts apply anyway...and then raise hell with our congressmen when we get rejected.

What do you think?

Mike
 

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Here is the text of a letter I just sent to my representative, Congresswoman Jennifer Dunn, 8th Legislative District, Washington State:

Good afternoon!

I am writing this letter to address what I believe is the biggest example of Federal hypocrisy I have seen in a long time.

Under current Federal law, any employer who does not hire someone because of age is in big trouble. I am in law enforcement, and I am 42 years old.

Under current Federal law, I can apply to any local or State law enforcement agency for employment. They cannot refuse to hire me solely because of my age, or medical condition as long as I can perform the duties as outline in the job.

Here, in Washington State, an entry level Officer was hired by the Pierce County Sheriff's Department at the age of 65!! He was hired as a full time street cop, not as an office worker.

If an employer does discriminate, they are in real trouble, courtesy of the Department of Labor, and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, if I am correct. This is the Federal Government.

So what am I complaining about?

The fact that to apply for employment as a Federal Law Enforcement Officer, you MUST be under 37 years of age at the time of hire!!

I just looked at a job description for Civil Aviation Security Specialist (Federal Air Marshal). I have law enforcement experience. I am a military veteran with 15 years active Federal service. BUT--I can't apply--because I'm too old!!

Could you look into this, and possibly address it?

Many thanks,

Eagle C. Tovar Jr.

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Hope that at least something is mentioned. Hey--you folks do the same!! Write your Representatives, and address it. Maybe we can make a difference with this.
 

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Concur... I had inquired about this as well, and had recieved a phone number back, but had been unable to call yet.

Equal Employment and Reasonable Accommodation: The FAA does not discriminate on the basis of political affiliation, race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, age, disability, or any other characteristics not bearing on job performance.
EXCUSE ME??? They sure seem to be discriminating on the basis of Age, when the set an age limit of 37.

It'll be interesting to see how they handle this, and what waivers are considered.

Prior service military, I would imagine should exempt me for the years of service, over their age limit, in which case, I am good to go
 

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My boss told me she thought I'd be perfect for this (maybe that's just 'cause she wants me out of her hair?), but I'm too old (40.8). Granted I'm also out of shape, but maybe this would motivate me to get the PT I so desperately need. I don't see having two artifical hips as a problem since the job wouldn't require a lot of running (these planes aren't all that long front to back, after all).
Since I've already got a CHL, have prior federal employment and a previous Secret level clearance from when I was a developmental Air Traffic Controller, *and* I'm a certified pilot (just single engine now but I can get up to speed on multi-engine if given half a chance), they'd be nuts not to hire me, right?


Of course, there's still that pesky psycholgical exam...

Seriously, I'd be honored to have even a chance to apply for the job and envy all of you whose parents waited until 1964 or later to bring you into the world.

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[This message has been edited by El Roto (edited 09-20-2001).]
 

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Congress has a long history of exempting itself from the employment requirements it imposes on private employers. So I wouldn't be too hopeful that your Congresswoman will act decisively. It is, after all, her applecart that could get turned over.

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Originally posted by El Roto:
Since I've already got a CHL, have prior federal employment and a previous Secret level clearance from when I was a developmental Air Traffic Controller, *and* I'm a certified pilot (just single engine now but I can get up to speed on multi-engine if given half a chance), they'd be nuts not to hire me, right?



When did you go through the ATC screen...I was there July of 1990. I scored 69.82 instead of the magic 70 to get a job....so I was "out-processed".

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Mike,

Wow! You missed me by a year. I graduated in July, '89 (second lowest score in my screen), but couldn't get the hang of local control, so I resigned near the end of my OJT. Hell, I wanted to work at an F.S.S. but they weren't hiring for that, so I was stuck in a tower.

I've some fond memories of screen: lots of volleyball at the apartment complex (5901 S. May), serious drinking...hmm, I guess I've only *two* fond memories.


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This is one of those jobs that you would just love to have!

What, exactly, do they ask about in a "secret" investigation? I've heard stories about FBI folks talking to your grandmother and such, but I can't quite believe that. How in-depth is it? What types of things do they consider violations or black marks?

What are the odds, really, of them inititating an FAM program in the next year or two? Do you think the PT requirements will be serious or more a show?

I'd love to do it, but there are a whole lot of things I don't think would give me a chance. Still, I might apply. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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This does suck big time, I have 26 years on the job and I can retire from the PD and I would, if I were eligible for one of these jobs. But I like others here are precluded from even applying, due to the age restrictions that they have for this job.

I am an FBI trained and State Post certified, LEO Firearms Instructor and this job would be right down my alley, but I'm too darned old according to their moronic standards. Oh well it's their loss...7th

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I did read a news story that they were talking to retired fed'l agents (Customs, etc) about coming back on, and because of prior service the age restrictions might be waived for them. This might be a stopgap measure to get enough marshals out there soon, and I don't know if prior service would include non-fed LEO service. Check it out.

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I'm not defending it but this is the rational for the 37 year maximum:

All Federal LEO's have mandatory retirement at 57 with few exceptions. This is based partially on madatory physical fitness standards with the assumption that folks over 57 can't meet them. Since the retirement system (6c) is based on 20 years, there is no way for someone to "retire out" unless they start before their 37th birthday.

As far a returning Customs officers, they would already have years in under the Federal 6c retirement system. They would not be waving the 37 year maximum but rathter the mandatory at 57.
 

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It would probably be boring as all getout for a while, with bursts of interesting doin's. Wouldn't it be great to see all kinds of foreign countries? Greece, Italy, Morocco?

Anyhow, someone clarify for me. What type of experience are they looking for in the G band? Looks to me like it's just 3yr experience at anything, so long as it has "progressive responsibility". Does that mean you could apply if you've been pumping gas for three years and managed to work up to nightshift supervisor? Heck, if that's all they want for an entry level position, I might just give it a go. By the time I get in shape, I'll have three years on this job and some good trainging in "weapon manipulation".

Any thoughts appreciated.
 

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Guys,
I have applied and sent my resume to the first FAA technical center before the application came out. If you are going to pursue this and have the qualifications, be prepaired to live like a flight attendant out of the suit case. It is an honorable job, but look at the reality to make sure your up for it. (They don't pay for relocation)

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The SF 86 is quite intensive. It was not nearly as bad until the nuclear espionage situation took place with the Chinese.

It covers all your past places of employment, job specifications, schooling history, ANY fines (speeding and traffic tickets included), any criminal charges, places of residence, family members and such.

It’s a royal pain in the ass but not that bad. If you have a misdemeanor, you’d still qualify. However, if that misdemeanor involves domestic violence, you’d be disqualified immediately.

This position will require the highest level of shooting proficiency out of all the gov’t agencies (including tier one units).

It’s definitely not for everybody because of the traveling involved. However, if you feel that you qualify and are extremely interested, I have a contact name and email address from the Federal Air Marshal Division. You can send your resume directly to him.

Please don’t waste my time or his if you’re just fishing.
 
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