Of the Beretta 92 owners, what experience do you have with the +P or +P+ ammo? My 92 manual "does not recommend 'extended' use of +P+ ammo", so I'm curious if anyone has used it and found any effects on their 92's?
I don't use +p and I don't think anybody should use +p+ in a standard gun. If you are going to use +p you will need to increase the weight of the recoil spring and ABSOLUTELY put in a shok-buff to keep the slide from beating the hell out of that aluminum frame.
Gave up my Beretta 92F when I decided it was like holding a table leg! Aluminum frame gun, no good for +P or +P+ loads. Sooner or later something will have to give! Better with an all steel 9mm. Get a BHP, you'll never look back!
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It won't blow up, it'll just wear out a lot faster. BTW Hi-Powers made before the 90's were typically soft, so they don't hold up with +P's much better IMHO. As for the Beretta, I'd say shoot a few rounds just to ensure functioning, then shoot only regular loads in practice. BTW the ammo that caused the M9 slide breakages in the military was beyond proof load pressures, far above even +P+. It was supposed to only be used in subguns like the MP-5, but oops.
As much as it hurts me to say it, there's just one gun out there that absolutely loves +P 9mm ammo: the Glock. My G19 is always carried with Cor-Bon 115gr. JHP whenever I decide to carry it. I also use Cor-Bon in my Kahr P9, but I rarely shoot it in practice. I just did it when new to ensure that it functions correctly. The Ruger is another gun that is quite durable with +P's as well.
The Beretta 92 is made very well and can handle a steady diet of +P or +P+ ammo. The ammo that the military uses is even hotter than any +P+ ammo you can buy. NATO pressures are much higher than SAAMI pressures and SAAMI is what ammunition mfrs use. The gun will wear out quicker, but were talking of it maybe wearing to that point with 25,000 +P+ rounds vs maybe 50,000 of standard velocity rounds. I shoot alot and I have only owned one gun that I've shot more than 25,000 rds thru (and I still own it and shoot it competitively). Most people won't put 2,500 rds thru their guns. If you're concerned, then shoot standard pressure rounds for practice and occasionally some of the hotter stuff if it's a defensive firearm. Life is too short for me to be concerned with having to guy another gun because I wore one out...Heck that would be a good reason to buy another gun!
[This message has been edited by Captain (edited 11-29-2001).]
You forgot SIG. And it doesn't hurt me to say it. Lest we forget, SIG was quite heavy in the running for the U.S. Service Pistol and did quite well during extensive testing.
Here is the harbinger.
If you feel you must use +P+ ammunition to achieve the desired results in a chosen caliber, you have likely chosen the wrong caliber.
Not an eternal truth by any measure, but it should give some pause for thought.
I refrain from using Cor-Bon for defensive ammunition as my experience has it varying in consistency (velocity and accuracy), but have absolutely no problems firing most major manufacturers +P ammunition in my SIG's. I am glad you are (hopefully) experiencing better results.
I would like to test some +P+ from the major manufacturers just for grins, but have no desire to carry it regularly. Personally, I think the added expense of +P+ ammunition versus +P ammunition is hard to justify for a percentage point or two increase in performance (and whose data you choose to believe).
From standard velocity to +P I typically see a 25%-30% increase in price. From +P to +P+ the price typically doubles (due to scarcity/demand?). I prefer to have my carry arms around for awhile longer in any case.
Never fired any +P+ rated ammunition in my Centurion when I had it, so not much help in that department. I will say that I would not have hesitated though. I only sold the Beretta to finance another SIG...
Ruger polymer framed P95 has been tested by firing 20,000 +p+ loads without any ill affect or noticeable wear. Glock is another one that will stand up to the challenge. Hirtenberger ammo company has a G17 that has withstoodover 320,000 rounds of the hot stuff they produce. In steel framed 9's the CZ75 is one that will handle the hot +p's and +p+ loads. Another thing I like about my CZ is that I can carry it cocked and locked.