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They claim that only three to five percent of all of these shooters are "living with" mental illness.
How bogus can you get? I would say that it is pretty difficult to make the argument that any of them might not be.

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A psychologist once remarked that we all have at least some form of mental illness... nobody is 100% perfect. Most of the time it doesn't affect our daily function, but merely helps shape our personalities. That being said, it's hard to draw the line as to what makes someone sufficiently mentally ill that they would be considered a danger to themselves or others if they owned or had access to dangerous objects or weapons. It's just as easy to point the finger at mental illness as a cause of mass shootings as it is the legality of firearms... and both would be missing the mark. Plenty of people with mental illnesses own firearms and never hurt a soul. Plenty of others have never been considered mentally ill in their lives, and yet one day they suddenly act out on a silent urge to kill people.

The problem is far too complex to simply say we need more laws against guns or mentally ill people... unless the plan is to either ban ALL guns outright or lock up everybody who acts strange against their will. It seems the Democrats want to do the former and Republicans want to do the latter.
 

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A psychologist once remarked that we all have at least some form of mental illness... nobody is 100% perfect. Most of the time it doesn't affect our daily function, but merely helps shape our personalities. That being said, it's hard to draw the line as to what makes someone sufficiently mentally ill that they would be considered a danger to themselves or others if they owned or had access to dangerous objects or weapons. It's just as easy to point the finger at mental illness as a cause of mass shootings as it is the legality of firearms... and both would be missing the mark. Plenty of people with mental illnesses own firearms and never hurt a soul. Plenty of others have never been considered mentally ill in their lives, and yet one day they suddenly act out on a silent urge to kill people.

The problem is far too complex to simply say we need more laws against guns or mentally ill people... unless the plan is to either ban ALL guns outright or lock up everybody who acts strange against their will. It seems the Democrats want to do the former and Republicans want to do the latter.
While I agree with your last paragraph, the bolded sentence bares comment: the only person that was 100% perfect was crucified BECAUSE He was 100% perfect. That makes all of us less than 100% perfect as that psychologist said.
 

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The Russkies were famous for blaming everything on "mental illness" - that dog don't hunt.

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unless the plan is to either ban ALL guns outright or lock up everybody who acts strange against their will.
It is, (of course) - and whee! AND, they get to define "act strange", too.
 

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The Russkies were famous for blaming everything on "mental illness" - that dog don't hunt.


It is, (of course) - and whee! AND, they get to define "act strange", too.
The Ruskies blamed everything on mental illness as an excuse to lock people up. Regardless of how they behaved. So that statement really has no relevance to this.
 

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In my opinion ! I believe that the current “computer game” culture of violent games that romanticize killing others like “call to duty“ that desensitizes people from the act of taking a life really needs to be looked at, I think a lot of that has some effect, throw in a mentally unstable individual, and anyone who does these shooting are unstabile !

the fact that our politicians only want to blame it all squarely on gun ownership says to me that they are supremely ignorant Or have an agenda that they are pushing here. All my opinion.
 

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Huh!? If you can’t control yourself enough to keep from shooting a place up, violent is a given. So is psychotic.
And that's not mental illness - because ???
Okay... you guys deserve my explanation. I watched much of the Parkland Shooter trial, and I don't believe for a minute that miscreant was mentally ill. He was a violent, pathetic, anti-social person. A misfit... but there wasn't a shred of evidence that he was truly mentally ill in the sense that his brain had some sort of imbalance of neurotransmitters, or physically damaged cortex, or that alcohol fetal syndrome was responsible for his behavior. As the prosecution pointed out 99% of people that suffered alcohol fetal syndrome do not exhibit violent behavior, etc. In fact, most mentally ill people are less likely to be violent and become a victim of violence themselves. He was just a selfish miscreant and a intrinsically violent person that was just incorrigible. I just don't buy into the mentally ill theories the leftist psychologist want to label people who still possess archaic homicidal tendencies that the earliest hominids displayed. He just could not be tamed like a wild animal.

So that said, I believe humans are the product of evolutionary development... and in our natural state... we are in fact very violent animals. It is how we became the apex predators on this planet. It is the very simple rule of nature... Kill or be Killed. It is our assimilation into a society, a civilization that that has controlled the animal in all of us. Its law, religion, the fear of God, behavior for the greater good, that has tamed the animal we really are, the apex predator on this planet that **** sapien evolved into.

There is a lot of political science, psychology, religion, anthropology has to say about who we really are. You can't say a person is mentally ill, if he is doing precisely what his genetic predecessor was doing... say 5000 years ago. I am not religious but we do have biblical stories about Abel and Cain, brother killing brother? Right. It is in our history. Its in our fundamental political philosophy found in Thomas Hobbes' work 'Leviathan' where Hobbes describes how we evolved from living under the law of the jungle (where might and violence makes right) into a civilization where our behavior is governed by law, and a social contract. But even with religion, law, and culture... we have not genetically changed all that much since the first humans walked this earth.

Now, I don't expect everyone to accept my version of who we are, but even psychologists believe that by our innate genetic nature we are probably the most homicidal, violent animals on the planet. There have been numerous papers that have been already written on this subject... that our homicidal tendencies are actual the norm, and it may be very well be how we evolved and why we survived to become the most prolific and successful mammal on the planet.


“Step back and view our species objectively from the outside, the way a zoologist would carefully observe any other animal, or see us the way every other creature perceives human beings. The brutal reality could not be more evident or more horrifying. We are the most relentless yet oblivious killers on Earth.

“Our violence operates far outside the bounds of any other species. Human beings kill anything. Slaughter is a defining behavior of our species. We kill all other creatures, and we kill our own.
We know from a wealth of archeological evidence how violent we once were perhaps hundreds or thousands of times more violent than we are today. Imagine that? If you think a homicide rate of 6 per 100,000 is high... it may have been 6000 per 100,000 five thousand years ago. Heck one of the greatest civilizations of ancient times... the Roman Empire had slaves fighting to their deaths in the colosseum as a form of pure entertainment, no different from how we use soccer or football as a form of entertainment.

 

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It's called evil.
Many of the Parkland School Shooting parents, during their victim impact statement referred to the shooter as an "animal", which I thought was the most appropriate term, because its so true. The difference between most animals and civilized people is that we are governed by laws, culture, respect for life, religion, fear of god, karma, or whatever. Whereas many wild animals have no sense of right and wrong, often governed by raw hard-wired genetic instincts.
 

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The Russkies were famous for blaming everything on "mental illness" - that dog don't hunt.


It is, (of course) - and whee! AND, they get to define "act strange", too.
I heard the magic word. :) Russkies didn't blame everything on mental illness russkies used "mental illness" to shove dissents into looney bins when Gulags were full. Heck Russky criminals during the 90s raped pillaged IED'd, RPG'd, sniped, maimed and molested left and right but they never opened fire on random people or to settle some workplace grudges. It was strictly targeted business and do anything otherwise was just bad form and bad morals. This whole random mass shooting business is uniquely US problem, sign of disjoined society again not a gun problem people problem.
 

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I disagree P-man. I think that what you describe here clearly qualifies as a person that has what I would describe in the vernacular sense as a few loose screws. In other words, they are either sociopaths or psychopaths. That is medically defined mentally ill people.

"Okay... you guys deserve my explanation. I watched much of the Parkland Shooter trial, and I don't believe for a minute that miscreant was mentally ill. He was a violent, pathetic, anti-social person. A misfit... but there wasn't a shred of evidence that he was truly mentally ill in the sense that his brain had some sort of imbalance of neurotransmitters, or physically damaged cortex"
 

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Many of the Parkland School Shooting parents, during their victim impact statement referred to the shooter as an "animal", which I thought was the most appropriate term, because its so true. The difference between most animals and civilized people is that we are governed by laws, culture, respect for life, religion, fear of god, karma, or whatever. Whereas many wild animals have no sense of right and wrong, often governed by raw hard-wired genetic instincts.
So I would take it to mean that the people that you describe are what most of us would consider as suffering from mental illness. Pretty plain to see. If you act like a human being that is one thing. If you act like an animal. This being inconsistent with what most people would consider as being a person with a rational mind. That is consistent with the human behavior that separates us from animals. I would submit that animal behavior from someone that we might normally view as human. That this behavior would clearly indicate mental illness.
 

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Mental illness vs psychological or psychiatric deviation I'd say. Paranoia, schizophrenia, multiple personality disorders. Those would be mental illnesses. Parkland wasn't it, Colorado wasn't it. Columbine wasn't it, Uvalde wasn't it, Sandy hook was it.

Here's the prime example of how it starts. Enemy and all I won't be showing off to the camera my kill prowess enemy and all I wouldn't be doing it as a human interest story if I had a half a scruple left in my head.

 

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Many of the Parkland School Shooting parents, during their victim impact statement referred to the shooter as an "animal", which I thought was the most appropriate term, because its so true. The difference between most animals and civilized people is that we are governed by laws, culture, respect for life, religion, fear of god, karma, or whatever. Whereas many wild animals have no sense of right and wrong, often governed by raw hard-wired genetic instincts.
Except that with few exceptions wild animals don't kill out of sick pleasure. They do it to survive. When I hear of some scumbag being called an "animal" I feel it's an insult to animals everywhere.

Funny thing though, the wild animals who do sometimes kill out of anger, or jealousy, or even spite most often tend to be chimpanzees... our closest animal cousins.
 

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I would think that a great deal of Mass Shooters are very mentally ill. But Mass Shooters are also a VERY small percentage of the people who commit murder.

Most killers are just criminals being scumbags. Or jealous lovers n' whatnot. Sure, not the most rational people at the moment but not totally insane either.
 
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