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Any Comments On S&W 59 or 459?

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Looking for plusses or drawbacks in this design. The reason is, I once had an FEG GKK92C which is basically a S&W 59 and I liked it a lot. Now I want it again, but the FEG version has too much baggage (parts, magazines) so I'm thinking 'get the real thing' but I've never picked one up.
Any thoughts?
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Funny how models come and go and we never notice. People just assume newer marketing programs produce better Guns. Big secret folks, marketing and profit does not have much to do with function or quality or value. The guns or cars or chain saws that are going to be put on the shelf are going to be the ones that makes the most money in a given year based on what the market is or much better what they can make the market be. It does not matter what you or I think based on our actual experience, we will alter our opinion based upon what the gun writers say in some extensive test, they performed, that "proves" one is great, the other junk., by their paid testing. Gun people are likely the most gullible buyers in the sporting goods market. The sporting goods market for handguns are people who buy guns that are used for recurring range practice, as opposed to purchasers who use them for hunting only, defense or law enforcement. Some of us buy them for multiple purposes but some will be just for that range fun and that is exactly why they are pushing $4000 guns with $400 dot sights and $300 timers and $500 video cams so you can play back your shooting to your buds on Facebook. They will never know you are a real gun fighter, unless you post b
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The reason for the marketing talk? Because some Guns, like the SW model 59, the Ruger 89-95 series and others just fell out of favor, for no rational reason other than what the other marketing people said about them. When the model 59 came to
law enforcement, I was carrying a model 19 and occasionally a 1911 Commander, The only high capacity 9mm was the Browning Highpower, and many did not trust them. The model 59 was reserved for the greatest gun fighters in law enforcement.

The model 59 was a favorite of SWAT and special units. If you saw one it was carried by DEA or high level narcotics officers. The model 59 stayed at the top of the heap until the Glocks came along, and then suddenly it was too heavy. I was in specialized units by then and we were back ton1911s, so I never carried a Model 59 on the job.

I did buy a model 915 from a police supply. In those days the Marlin Camp Carbine was a handy 9mm carbine that took the same magazines as all those high cap Smith and Wessons. It was common to see cops carrying both. I found the model 915 to be a great gun, better than any Sig I gad ever used and certainly a bargain. I compared them in value to the CZ 75, which I am also very fond of. Today people who have both the 59 and Camp Carbine are a cult.

When I hear someone trash them, I always ask if they used them in police work or competition. I have never found anyone who used them much who trashed them just people who had limited exposure to them. They are bigger than I like to carry but for a house or car gun, they are great.

If I could buy them cheap; I would buy several. You could arm your family for when the zombies come, anyone can shoot them well.
 

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Or just sucked. I never ran into any LEO carrying model 59 and I was in one of the top four departments in the US>
Really? Maybe you need to get out of your big city where officers work without backup, and a swat team ten minutes away. When you work remote, you gontonthe call,it pull the guy over at 4:00 am and backup is 20-30 miles away, a high capacity handgun makes sense. There were no Glocks or Young men with guns until,
long after you made your move. for that reason, officers who rode alone in remote area flocked to the model 59, 4011; and all those third generation Smith and Wessons, once you learned to shoot them you wound not want anything else.Triggers were actually pretty easy to learn, basically the same as the Berretta. Sone if the ladies and smaller guys did not like them because people with short fingers never could shoot them double action. And that is the great thing about the Glicks, even people with small hand and fingers can shoot them well.

The biggest shooting spree in the decade was turned towards conclusion, when an Oklahoma Trooper pulled a model 59 from a shoulder rig and opened fire. It did not, end the multi state battle but it did send the bad guts down the street where they woukdvsoon die. Without the high capacity, he would probably have died also.

May 26, 1978 ... The darkest day in Oklahoma Highway Patrol History (ohptrooper.com)Three Troopers killed and five civilians killed, quite bit more shooting that the FBI Miami deal. I knew Grimes and was working federal cases in the area.
The killing started in Alabama and Geogia , some killed in Texas then ended in Oklamoma. 8 dead three wounded.3 Troopers, Convicts Die In Gunbattle (ohptrooper.com)

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Trooper Hughes in this pic is wearing a shoulder holster, in it was a Nickle modelThe California Troopers went for the lne in 40 sw. They are a great gun too.

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And they kept them for 25 years because they are so accurate and reliable and easy to shoot.

State of Tennessee issue 2000 models 5906.They are nice as well.
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And the list goes on. Those who can shoot them do, and the resttof us,just keep on trying,
 
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As to the OPs question......Classic Wonder Nine: Smith & Wesson Model 59 :: Guns.com

This link sums it up pretty well as I remember it. I had forgotten that Mas Ayoob was high on it. I knew he liked the 39.

"''Soon after it was released, the Model 59 proved popular in LE use, with Massad Ayoob detailing the Wrentham, Massachusetts, PD may have been the first to adopt it. By 1974, Las Vegas Metro was carrying the M59. Some departments of the era reportedly compromised by issuing the Model 59 while buying a smaller stock of Model 39s for use by detectives and those with hands too small to wrap around the larger grip of the double-stack. "''
"''Keep in mind that in 1971, when the Model 59 debuted, guns like the Beretta 92, SIG P220, and CZ75 were still on the drawing board and would be a few years away from making it to the U.S. "''

I believe that the model was cloned internally and sold under a different brand and take the same mags. I think the current one may be the Tisas Zigana F9, I am told they cannot keep them in stock. Note the similarity, controls are the sames,etc.I think they made 4 models of them, I tried to buy one on line last year, but they are sold out and I am low on the waiting list and while I am on several notify lists, none have come through. .The dealers like Buds who also have storefronts give their local customers first shot hard to find Guns so we may not see them for sale on line for a long time. The last one I saw for sale was $130 over MSRP,so I refused.


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I would certainly trust the Tisas, and they were under $300 at one time.. I have read it is the same gun, by reviewers but I have never seen one. None of the major online dealers have them in stock. FWIW My 2 cents.
 
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The Tisas doesn’t appear to be much like the Model 59 at all.
I did not say they looked alike, I said one of the gun rags said they are the same inside and used the same magazines. Might not h've been the Tisas, but if you look at those two, all of the mechanicals are in the same place. The safety in the exact spot, that matters because even a close clone must have it there, the slide release the same , and the relationship if the trigger pins are the same so I am am not sure what you are looking at. I may have forgotten which one it was but all the SW forum guys would know. It may have been one of the Zeniths, not sure but I thought it was that Tisas that they cannot keep in stock, Somebody likes them. The original was 27 ounces and that one us close. Inwould buy one of thosevTisas in a heartbeat if ut us close in trigger design, the midel 59 had a great trigger for fast shooting in single action. The 9 mm was not the best round but the 59 was great for bowling pin shoots,
 
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Unfortunately, FEG is no longer in firearm industry. The company is now making HVAC products. So only used guns are available in the market.
Thanks I thought were no longer imported but not sure if still in production. There is another company making one that is near the same as the 3rd gen Smith and Wessons. Here is one that gets rave reviews, another made in Turkey gun but you can never find one in stock. A Tisas Kanuni imported by SDS. Do not like the grips but they get crazy good reviews and sell out fast. These guns were under $300. At Classic Firearms there are 47 reviews and rated 4.8/5. But if you read the 3 that were not five stars, they are goofy, one had not fired it and said nothing, just gave it a 4, one said it was too big for his small hands, and another said something like he could not reach the mag disconnect without moving his grip, dumb stuff. All the others rated it a 5 and all that fired the gun rated it 100% reliable. Pretty impressive for any gun.

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