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Funny how models come and go and we never notice. People just assume newer marketing programs produce better Guns. Big secret folks, marketing and profit does not have much to do with function or quality or value. The guns or cars or chain saws that are going to be put on the shelf are going to be the ones that makes the most money in a given year based on what the market is or much better what they can make the market be. It does not matter what you or I think based on our actual experience, we will alter our opinion based upon what the gun writers say in some extensive test, they performed, that "proves" one is great, the other junk., by their paid testing. Gun people are likely the most gullible buyers in the sporting goods market. The sporting goods market for handguns are people who buy guns that are used for recurring range practice, as opposed to purchasers who use them for hunting only, defense or law enforcement. Some of us buy them for multiple purposes but some will be just for that range fun and that is exactly why they are pushing $4000 guns with $400 dot sights and $300 timers and $500 video cams so you can play back your shooting to your buds on Facebook. They will never know you are a real gun fighter, unless you post b
videos each week.
The reason for the marketing talk? Because some Guns, like the SW model 59, the Ruger 89-95 series and others just fell out of favor, for no rational reason other than what the other marketing people said about them. When the model 59 came to
law enforcement, I was carrying a model 19 and occasionally a 1911 Commander, The only high capacity 9mm was the Browning Highpower, and many did not trust them. The model 59 was reserved for the greatest gun fighters in law enforcement.
The model 59 was a favorite of SWAT and special units. If you saw one it was carried by DEA or high level narcotics officers. The model 59 stayed at the top of the heap until the Glocks came along, and then suddenly it was too heavy. I was in specialized units by then and we were back ton1911s, so I never carried a Model 59 on the job.
I did buy a model 915 from a police supply. In those days the Marlin Camp Carbine was a handy 9mm carbine that took the same magazines as all those high cap Smith and Wessons. It was common to see cops carrying both. I found the model 915 to be a great gun, better than any Sig I gad ever used and certainly a bargain. I compared them in value to the CZ 75, which I am also very fond of. Today people who have both the 59 and Camp Carbine are a cult.
When I hear someone trash them, I always ask if they used them in police work or competition. I have never found anyone who used them much who trashed them just people who had limited exposure to them. They are bigger than I like to carry but for a house or car gun, they are great.
If I could buy them cheap; I would buy several. You could arm your family for when the zombies come, anyone can shoot them well.
videos each week.
The reason for the marketing talk? Because some Guns, like the SW model 59, the Ruger 89-95 series and others just fell out of favor, for no rational reason other than what the other marketing people said about them. When the model 59 came to
law enforcement, I was carrying a model 19 and occasionally a 1911 Commander, The only high capacity 9mm was the Browning Highpower, and many did not trust them. The model 59 was reserved for the greatest gun fighters in law enforcement.
The model 59 was a favorite of SWAT and special units. If you saw one it was carried by DEA or high level narcotics officers. The model 59 stayed at the top of the heap until the Glocks came along, and then suddenly it was too heavy. I was in specialized units by then and we were back ton1911s, so I never carried a Model 59 on the job.
I did buy a model 915 from a police supply. In those days the Marlin Camp Carbine was a handy 9mm carbine that took the same magazines as all those high cap Smith and Wessons. It was common to see cops carrying both. I found the model 915 to be a great gun, better than any Sig I gad ever used and certainly a bargain. I compared them in value to the CZ 75, which I am also very fond of. Today people who have both the 59 and Camp Carbine are a cult.
When I hear someone trash them, I always ask if they used them in police work or competition. I have never found anyone who used them much who trashed them just people who had limited exposure to them. They are bigger than I like to carry but for a house or car gun, they are great.
If I could buy them cheap; I would buy several. You could arm your family for when the zombies come, anyone can shoot them well.
