[rick500]

Big 1911 fan but frankly, I'm brand new to the USPSA and IPSC and need some help with this article, Anyone care to summarize?

Tks
Rick

 

[bulm540]

It is a provisional division. Think of it as CDP on Steroids and quadruple the fun. Lotsa reloads. May break out my single stack next year and try to shoot it.

 

[Walking Point]

An attempt to lure IDPA shooters to USPSA without having to feel undergunned against L-10 shooters using downloaded Limited guns and race rigs. Not that downloaded Limited guns and race rigs are any big deal, as the better shooter will still win.

The end result? L-10 and the 1911 provisional division having so few shooters that nobody gets an award in either division regardless of how well they finish :hrm: Some of the threads I've seen concerning awards could make not getting one a big deal.

Give USPSA credit for trying something different, and I really do hope it turns out good for USPSA, but the equipment restrictions place it in the same "zero interest" category that Production division holds for me.

 

[Big crush]

L-10 and the 1911 provisional division having so few shooters that nobody gets an award in either division regardless of how well they finish

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Locally(level 1 matches) L-10 and production account for 40-50% of the total match competitors and clearly these are the types firearms that the bulk of new shooters to the action pistol sports first purchase (for several reasons). In states that still limit magazine capacity those percentages increase. To not avail themselves (USPSA) to the NEW shooter is not the way to bring new blood into the sport.

I remember when ALL HANDGUNS were classed as one (high HF was most often set by a comp gun) and boy was that an equipment race. Skill being equal, he who had the most $$$$$ to spend on equiment normally faired better in the finish.

Today one does not have to plunk down gobs of cash to get started and still feel like they have a shot at placing well PROVIDED they can shoot and scoot and still hit what they are supossed to.

The SS division opens up one more level playing field for any competitor.

 

[srf]

I always thought USPSA missed it with Production division. A lot of these issues would've been resolved if single stack 45's (or 10mm for that matter) with 8 round mag max. capacity and a 165 power factor had been part of Production. I would still score all pistols the same without regard to power factor. Now you'd have a division with interesting competition, straight up scoring, with entirely different pistols. You'd have the single action, small mag funnel, lower capacity specialist and the higher capacity, modern, safe action or double/single action competitors. You'd never have a problem filling this class at any match and the potential for the 'best' pistol design debate would be lots of fun to watch. I really thought this would be great division.

I'm not knocking USPSA, Mike Voight's done great job of growing the sport. The matches in my area are growing every year. Just my thoughts if I were king (and if I was: Full auto multigun starts the next week).

 

[Walking Point]

Big crush

I hope you're right.

While posting to a thread about the "simple" mods to my L-10 SS, I realized I'm too far gone to ever again understand what would attract a new shooter. I've definitely gone over to the "dark side" in L-10 and Limited, but am resisting the lure of Open right now.

Thanks goodness for a BOD that is willing to try new things.

 

[lcazes]

I've definitely gone over to the "dark side" in L-10 and Limited, but am resisting the lure of Open right now.

Aw! go ahead, you know you want to try open!

Fact is, high round count, fast paced stages tend to be more fun for some of us with optics, comps, and hicap frames/mags. Give in and build that open gun and enjoy. Some of us open shooters are not ashamed to admit we enjoy shooting these types of guns.

Back to the original post, I personally felt the article was just a bit too condescending to those of us who enjoy shooting open and limited. I have only been shooting USPSA regularly for 3 years. I started by shooting L10 with a stock SA 1911 and after building a great SV limited gun and several 38super open guns ended up shooting primarily open today. I find that with my severe astigmatism, shooting with both eyes open with an aimpoint dot sight is just less work and more fun. I am bewildered by the number of folks who continue to shoot USPSA matches but behave as if they are ashamed of the sport.

 

[Walking Point]

I'm only avoiding Open because my wife is now shooting with me and I'm having to fund 2 of us now. She also now has a clue how much this stuff costs, so no doubt she'd kill me with my/her L-10 gun if I came home with an Open blaster

I'm still having too much fun in Limited right now to even think about changing. Just started that division this year and can't believe how much "smoother" a stage can be with 21+1 rounds.

Back to the topic at hand: I DO have a mainly (sort of/kind of) stock .38 Super and a rig that I bought for IDPA that could be used in this provisional division. Might be something for my daughter to try when she's a bit older. I have to believe the higher capacity will more than make up for the minor scoring.

It will likely come down to a reloading contest with the better shooters anyway.

 

[Scooter]

Course design can easily benefit minor scoring. It's really simple. The rules allow for 9 shots between movement. If you set up a stage with two 9 round arrays, the guys shooting major will be doing an extra static reload.