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http://www.americanfreepress.net/11_07_03/Countdown_to_Armageddon/countdown_to_armageddon.html


Countdown to Armageddon?

Are the Israelis willing to start World War III?

Exclusive to American Free Press

By M. Raphael Johnson

According to a recent article by veteran British military analyst Joseph
Vialls, Russia has sent the most advanced and feared missile in the world,
owned only by Russia and China, the P270 Moskit, also known as the
"Sunburn," to Damascus and Tehran. This can only be understood as a counter
to the Israeli threats to use nuclear weapons against their enemies.

The Sunburn flies at an altitude of 60 feet and is nearly impossible to
defend against. A few fired at Israel could make that state "history."

Add to this a new Russian air force installation near the Kyrgystan/Russia
border, coupled with a Chinese base just over their western border with
Kyrgystan, and Armageddon may be on the horizon. All Russian jets at this
new base just outside of Bishkek are equipped with Sunburn missiles.

Vialls writes:



The gloves are off, and with America and Israel still unable to steal any
oil from Iraq because someone keeps blowing the pipelines, Russian and
Chinese firepower buildup suddenly slammed the door firmly shut on Caspian
oil reserves in the old Soviet republics. For more than a decade American
oil multinationals have been conducting "joint ventures" in the former
Soviet republics bordering the Caspian Sea, with the stated intent of
pumping stolen crude oil out through Turkey, then on to western markets. Now
this route has been blocked permanently, and America is in no position to do
anything about it, because a large part of the U.S. conventional army is
currently bogged down in Iraq, being shot at and killed on a daily basis.



For many who have been watching this region as a confrontation between the
United States and Israel versus Russia largely over the control of the
biggest gas and oil deposits in the world, a new front has been opened.

As a response to this checkmate, Sharon recently visited Putin on Nov. 3 to
meet with him concerning the nuclear issue in Iran. Quickly, Sharon
permitted Palestinians to return to their jobs and eased their travel
restrictions.

Since the end of the Gorbachev era, the Russian oligarchs, nearly all Jewish
by ethnicity (with the noticeable exception of Vladimir Potanin), have
controlled nearly all key sectors of the Russian economy. This, of course,
includes Russia's major ace-in-the-hole, oil and gas. The giant YUKOS
conglomerate is presently one of the largest oil companies in the world,
valued at about $40 billion.

YUKOS is the result of a "loans for shares" deal brokered through the
semi-coherent Boris Yeltsin in 1995. Here, the liberal Russian government
swapped loyalty from the oligarchs in exchange for privatization at prices
far below that of the market. This $40 billion giant was bought for about
$300 million, thus looting the entire Russian economy for the benefit of a
handful of Israeli citizens living in Russia.

When YUKOS's chair, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, was arrested at the end of last
month, the American capitalist establishment went orbital. Forgetting the
1999 New York Times's expose on massive money laundering and fraud from
YUKOS, the conservative establishment began to lionize oligarchy and,
specifically, Khodorkovsky.

Recently, The Financial Times weighed in with a giggly piece from Chrystia
Freeland, which referred to the oligarch as a "democratic activist." About a
paragraph later, the writer said-without irony-that the oligarch's model for
economics is the robber baron factories of the early American 20th century.
Fox News, on Nov. 3, referred to YUKOS as the most progressive corporation
in Russia.

According to a Nov. 3 Agence France-Presse story, Khodorkovsky made a deal
with Jacob Rothschild this year that control of the YUKOS giant would pass
to Rothschild in the event of Khodorkovsky's arrest. However, the Russian
government has frozen all YUKOS assets for the time being.

It is significant that YUKOS's liberal pressure group, the Open Russia
Foundation, is completely controlled by Rothschild now that its founder is
in jail. As their official mission statement reads, "The motivation for the
establishment of the Open Russia Foundation is the wish to foster enhanced
openness, understanding and integration between the people of Russia and the
rest of the world."

Their board of trustees includes Rothschild and Henry Kissinger. The
Washington, D.C. launch of the organization included Sen. Ted Stevens
(R-Alaska) and Librarian of Congress James Billington, one of the leading
voices against Russian traditionalism in the academic establishment.
Significantly, the Open Russia Foundation recently provided Yale University
with substantial grants to study the Russian economy as well as providing
the Carnegie Foundation with 3 percent of its entire operating budget.

It seems that the drive to control the globe's energy is progressing. The
American empire's battles in Serbia, Central Asia, Iraq and Chechnya are one
and the same war. Other than fighting Israel's enemies, these adventures are
also wars to control Central Asian oil and natural gas (one of the main
pipelines from the Caspian Sea went straight through Serbia). The control of
this wealth by the United States and Israel necessitates bypassing Russian
channels. This means that the Jewish oligarchy in Russia would become the
central actor in world politics.

The Israeli/CIA complex was using Khodorkovsky to sell off the assets of
YUKOS to Exxon/Mobil (as well as a smaller piece to Texaco), hence bringing
Russia's pipelines into the hands of the western powers. The Nov. 5 New York
Times also indicated that the Bush family's Carlyle Group was involved.

It was not long after Putin began threatening the YUKOS conglomerate that
neo-conservative pundits such as William Kristol and Ariel Cohen began
calling Putin a "communist," "another Stalin" and "tyrannical."

The basis of these wild accusations, of course, is the fact that Putin
stands in the way of Zionist domination.

From this, the roles of several other variables and players develop clearly.
The State Department/Harvard University alliance was meant to "deregulate,"
or "privatize" much of the Russian economy precisely to keep the Russian
state out of the equation. Therefore, pro-Israel oligarchs (that is, Israeli
citizens living in Russia) then benefited, placing most of the economy in
their hands, and, by extension, Israel's.

Russia's response has been to clamp down on further foreign penetration into
defense and other sensitive industries, and specifically, to target those
believed to be working for both the CIA and Mossad and attempting to control
Central Asian oil.

It needs to be reiterated that where the CIA goes, Mossad goes as well.
Israeli and American interests have come together in the dominance of the
Central Asian region and therefore, so have liberal ideology, the Beltway
set, neo-conservatism, Ivy League eggheads, Christian Zionism, the
Rothschilds and the American media. Afghanistan through the Caspian Sea
through to Georgia, Azerbaijan and into the Balkans (not to mention
pipelines leading to oil-hungry China), have become one single theater of
war over trillions of dollars in oil and gas wealth, incorporating every
single power center in global politics. The battle against the New World
Order is being decided in Moscow.

Therefore, all anti-Russian alliances in the region, from Islamic
fundamentalism to Slavic separatism to the George Soros "Open Society"
Foundation, are in the interests of the CIA/Exxon/Ivy League/NWO complex.

In Azerbaijan, for example, American elites have pushed for a "democratic"
state, that is, a state not under the control of pro-Moscow Heydar Aliev,
thus leaving the country open to U.S. oil investment. Aliev, of course, is
promoting Russian interests in the region, and thus, has become a "tyrant"
in the Beltway mind.

The American response to this situation within this region is to create the
GUAAM pact, including, Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Moldova.

Cohen gives us a clue as to why this entity was brokered under NATO
auspices: "The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline will export up to 1 million
barrels per year of high quality Caspian crude oil by 2005." In other words,
billions of dollars of oil are slated to be pumped through this region very
soon, and the economic/military alliance of GUAAM is the means to ensure
American control over it. This connects the Serbian, Afghan and Iraqi wars.

Russia's response to Israel's terror threats against most of the Islamic
world is fully understood as both a political and economic question.
Further, increasing cooperation between Russia and India, as well as China,
are clear markers that Putin, one of the few actually competent leaders in
world politics, is building an anti-imperialist and anti-NATO alliance with
the aim of countering American/Zionist moves for the world's oil and gas
wealth.

The interests, however, go even further than Zionist control over American
foreign policy decision-making. Vialls writes on another topic: that the
existence of the American/Zionist empire is based on the victory of American
forces over the Russian and Islamic. Of course, both in Bosnia and Chechnya,
the Mossad/CIA operatives have not hesitated to assist fundamentalists in
fighting Slavic nationalism, largely because Slavicism is a greater threat
with Putin firmly in the saddle. Islam, divided and leaderless, with a
history of centuries of defeat and colonialism behind it, is only a
potential force in world politics.
 

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The only thing I read in that article is there are wingnuts on the left end of the spectrum, just as there are on the right.
 

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It's amusing to hear of Putin being called a "communist," "another Stalin" and "tyrannical" because of the actions against Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

I keep browsing rags like Forbes waiting to see if one day they'll include people like Jacob Rothschild and George Soros in their lists of "wealthiest people" and what their assets and income are.

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LAK said:
It's amusing to hear of Putin being called a "communist," "another Stalin" and "tyrannical" because of the actions against Mikhail Khodorkovsky.
Yes. Especially since he implemented a 13% flat tax in Russia. A far more free and capitalistic tax system than the one we have here.

However, while the secret oil pipeline dealings have been going on for months, I cant say Im worried about a nuclear exchange. Nor can I say I trust those particular websites for various reasons.
 

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The Threat is Real

I would disagree that Israel will "start" WWIII, however they will deliver most of the armament that will lay waste to that area of the globe and probably bring in the nuclear winter Christ spoke of in Mark 13 and Matthew 24 which will be the aftermath of the Tribulation:

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light."

Israel lives under constant threat of annihilation. They undoubtedly have many nuclear armed missiles deployed in locations which would not be taken out on a first strike. They may also use the tactic that the US did in the late 1950's where we had SAC squadrons of B-52's flying patrol routes every minute of every day, armed to the teeth with hydrogen bombs. Most of those flew out of Turkey and were always in striking range of the Soviet Union.

Somebody would have to be completely insane to attack Israel, but as we now know: plenty of the people over there are completely insane.
 

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MUS said:I keep browsing rags like Forbes waiting to see if one day they'll include people like Jacob Rothschild and George Soros in their lists of "wealthiest people" and what their assets and income are.
Weren't Jacob and Gorge the evil villians in one of the Bond flicks? You just know they have an island with an underground nuclear submarine base somewhere in the north sea. And, of course, George 41 and 43 know about it and are sanctioning it! ;)
 

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"...and with America and Israel still unable to steal any
oil from Iraq because someone keeps blowing the pipelines"

I had only to stop reading there to tell me all I needed to know about this article.
 

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The Israelis dont have enough throw weight to start a nuclear winter. It takes many many warheads of a certain power range groundbursted to do so. If the warhead doesnt have sufficient power to get the particles into the very upper atmosphere the particles will fallout rapidly.

Even if you accept Carl Sagans ludicrous estimate of 100,000 tons of ejecta per megaton of groundburst (which has been thoroughly debunked using more modern computer models) it would take 5,400 megatons of groundbursted weapons to equal a single Mt St Helens eruption, which loosed 540 million tons of ejecta. The same Mt St Helens eruption which only darkened the skies in E Washington and Oregon for a couple days.

Estimates of the throw weight involved in a FULL EXCHANGE between the USSR and the United States ranged from 5000-10000 megatons, depending on the breaks like force disruptions and losses occuring in the initial exchange. Furthermore, most weapons aimed at soft targets like industrial/population centers would be airbursted, with groundbursts reserved for hardened targets like command and control facilities and missile silos. Therefore the bulk of weapons in any exchange would not be groundbursts. Average weapon yields were estimated to be somewhere between 1 and 2 megatons, with lesser weapons insufficient to get the particles to a high enough altitude to be persistent

When you start to actually look at the effects of large volcanic eruptions around the world, and even imagining many of them (even dozens which would require more weapons than are possessed) occurring simultaneously, bearing in mind the temporary and permanent consequences of them, nuclear winter as a whole starts to look ridiculous. Especially in this situation where you would be talking about a country that could be wiped off the map with a dozen weapons and that probably only possesses a few dozen weapons itself with what are likely significantly lower yields.

Most reputable scientists (using more realistic modern computer models) only believe in a "Nuclear Autumn" of much less drastic temperature swings in the tens of degrees lasting only a few weeks. Not a doomsday Nuclear Winter that would cause an ice age and mass extinction.

Far more dangerous is the blast heat and radioactive fallout associated with nuclear explosions.

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Whats funniest about Nuclear Winter and its proponents in the scientific community is they dont keep their facts straight from one subject to the next. If you do some digging you will see the same "scientists" (I use the term loosely because of the obvious slanting of their results) over here claiming an ice age could result from nuclear war using Sagans estimate of 100,000 tons of ejecta per megaton and a 5,000-10,000 megaton exchange as you see over there talking about an ice age caused from an asteroid or meteorite impact requiring 10 to the 12 power tons of ejecta.

I may be off on what I just wipped up on a calculator but I believe thats a trillion tons of ejecta, which is many times over what the entire worlds nuclear arsenal is capable of producing, even using Sagans thought to be overblown number of 100,000 tons of ejecta per megaton.

Its a classic example of politically motivated "science" just like greenhouse effect theory, ozone depletion, etc.

I suppose its just a coincidence that guys like Sagan are always leftist/communists.

PS I also dont think its a coincidence that many of the websites this kind of story comes from are very questionable in nature. Go to the main pages of these websites and that nature is readily apparent.

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Mus said:
The Israelis dont have enough throw weight to start a nuclear winter. ;)
No one knows what their actual mega-tonnage is, not even our CIA. They can only guess.

They won't be the only ones launching. Iran will probably get it on it. North Korea might also panic and start firing.


Mus said:

When you start to actually look at the effects of large volcanic eruptions around the world,

;)
I'm aware of the data. Krakatoa has been well documented to have caused a nuclear winter which eliminated the summer in the northern hemisphere one year and caused massive crop failures and starvations. The tree rings that year showed zero growth. However, there was no radioactive component in that dust.


Mus said:

Most reputable scientists (using more realistic modern computer models) only believe in a "Nuclear Autumn" of much less drastic temperature swings in the tens of degrees lasting only a few weeks. Not a doomsday Nuclear Winter that would cause an ice age and mass extinction.

;)
OK, then, call it Nuclear Autumn. But what will be 1000X more deadly will be the reaction of the world community when crops fail and there is a genuine shortage of food... one that means a significant percentage of the world faces starvation and nobody can stop it.

Mus said:


Far more dangerous is the blast heat and radioactive fallout associated with nuclear explosions.

;)
True, and the jet streams will carry it around the world's atmosphere in a matter of days or weeks at most so we will all get to enjoy it.
 

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No one knows what their actual mega-tonnage is, not even our CIA. They can only guess.

They won't be the only ones launching. Iran will probably get it on it. North Korea might also panic and start firing.
Its a safe bet that their combined throw weight is nowhere near that of the US and USSR at the height of the cold war.

They simply cannot financially afford to support such a large nuclear force, even if there was a reason to do so (there isnt).

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I'm aware of the data. Krakatoa has been well documented to have caused a nuclear winter which eliminated the summer in the northern hemisphere one year and caused massive crop failures and starvations.
Maybe not as aware as you would like to pretend.

Depending on whos numbers you use Krakatoa was up to 10 to 18 times as bad as Mt St Helens in terms of ejecta. I have already shown mathematically how a full exchange between the US and USSR at the height of the cold war could easily be inferior to one Mt St Helens eruption. If it takes at least ten Mt St Helens eruptions to equal one Krakatoa and Krakatoa only resulted in a global temperature shift of .6 degrees celcius lasting only a year its easy to see how full of crap nuclear winter theories are.

Even if the amount of ejecta produced per megaton was 10 times that of Carl Sagans estimate of 100,000 tons a full nuclear exchange would still be equal to roughly 10 to 20 Mt St Helens eruptions, or one Krakatoa.

Krakatoa barely effected global temperatures and only resulted in one year of poor harvests, NOT the ice age and mass starvation/extinction predicted by nuclear winter theorists.

The theory is bunk.

PS For perspective in 1815 in Indonesia there was an eruption with up to ten times the amount of ejecta as Krakatoa and yet we are all still here. It didnt destroy the entire planet and cause the end of the world as we know it the way liberals think nearly anything can.
 

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Hmmm... Why does that sound familiar?
Hehe.

Love that movie.

Somewhere between Carl Sagan/bounty hunters ludicrous end of the world scenario and the Dr Strangelove Generals "studies" that show "even the highest levels of radiation down to tolerable levels after only two weeks" is the truth.

BTW Im serious about Carl Sagan. His ties to the USSR are documented fact. So is his affiliation with Physicians for Social Responsibility, a known communist front group.

Take his theories, which were meant to cast in a dangerous light our maintenance of a credible nuclear deterrant against the Soviets under Reagan, with a grain of salt.

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I hesitated to post...

It's typical anti-semitism. We just don't realize it.

"If someone fires missiles at, invades or otherwise hurts Israel are THEY really going to...???"

We (the world) support their existence but restrict their ability to defend it. It reminds me of a joke one of their heroes told in his book:

Loose quote:
"An Englishman, an American and an Israeli were captured by cannibals in an African Jungle. As the tribal chief prepared a large pot and a fire under it to cook them in, he asked for last requests.
The Englishman wanted a cup of tea and his smoking pipe. The American wanted a glass of wine and a steak dinner. The Israeli asked for a swift kick in the rectum. The chief gladly obliged the Israeli and kicked him hard in the rectum. At that moment, the Israeli took out a pistol (m1911 ?) and shot the chief dead. The Englishman and the American were dumbfounded. They confronted the Israeli.
"Why, if you had a gun on you, did'nt you kill him sooner?" The Israeli responded "Are you crazy and have the UN call me the aggressor?"


The book is "The Letters of Jonathan Netanyahu: The commander of the Entebbe Rescue Force"
We American's think we are hot stuff and we are, But Israel is, I believe, not to be defeated.
In concurrent time lines, we had Vietnam, they had the SIX DAY war in which they were invaded on three fronts and repelled the attack in six days and took new territory. ALSO, Why is Israel the only nation expected to give up its conquests from a war they won. Who else has had to do that?
We had airliner hi-jackings and the Iranian hostage rescue failure, they had the Air france (Entebbe) hi- jacking. They executed a rescue mission against all odds and logistics and freed their people (with few losses) in forty minutes. They terrorists were dead in twenty minutes- it took twenty to load the hostages on the plane.

Don't expect them to be cowards and don't expect them to fight with one hand behind their back.
Garry
 

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The joe vialls website is pretty obvious in that regard geeman.

Whether it was released on multiple websites, some of them of a certain obvious racist slant, in order to discredit the theories in it or on some of the other sites publishing it, is another matter.

I personally think we are already in WWIII.
 

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I personally think we are already in WWIII.
When will Israel start its 'war on terrorism'? I'm waiting...
BTW, you must be an Israeli Citizen to join the IDF, in case anyone was wondering... I checked.
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