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Read post #412 again, Carefully - and understand that the writer expects you to compromise your PRINCIPLES that are correctly based on God Given Rights, since he has already done so. Trump uses his tweets to set the national agenda he wants, every day - clever. But the "Non-Civility" is the Left's doing - and that is much bigger than Mr. Trump.

The Hard Line - based on the God Given Rights of Man in 1776 - "Not One Step Farther" - and they backed it up with armed resistance to enforce those Rights. I pray we never come to the same spot, but if it comes to that, so be it. I just watched a documentary on what happens to an unarmed People that resists tyrannical Governmental Power (Burma, 2012) - and those who protest or resist without arms in their hands are shot - or "disappear". Do a Google Search on the "Bonus Marchers in Washington D.C." - the US Army attacked and killed unarmed US Citizens engaged in peaceful protest in DC in the 1930's. Going armed may seem edgy to some, but it keeps those with a Police State mentality at bay while you conduct your First Amendment Peaceful Protest, undisturbed. And it lets the other side know you are Deadly Serious about your Civil Rights. And, after all, it is a reminder of a Right. To be in public. Armed to make a point. Glad the other side got the Message - We, the People, still know our Rights - and you had better back off, Petty little tyrants.

I understand why Uncle Ed misses the old "Civility" and Panty Waisted "Niceness" from his political Enemies - (like "Presidential" George Bush Jr.) so the Left can keep on playing hard ball with the soft, weak Right and WINNING by their unethical, EVIL, underhanded and lying ways of doing business. Civility is a WEAPON the Left uses to keep the Polite Right Quiet and beat us, thus Uncle Ed points out the need for it now. He wants his (anti-gun) side to win, overall - apparently the 2nd Amendment is NOT his line in the sand for Freedom, and we must all be "reasonable" and "compromise" - until our Rights are compromised away....

Make no mistake, the Left is always on the Attack - and they have NO Scruples - or Morals. Thus they have made Civility a suicide pact for people on the Right. (Hint, if your majority largely don't believe in God, you don't have to worry about any Rules to go by. Cheating and lying, vote harvesting, etc., are just acceptable tools.)

So - Let's talk - honestly - about the Democratic Party and it's documented Record of Political Achievements - and this is just the "short and quick list".

1.) 1860 - Supporters of SLAVERY and cause of the Civil War, costing 500,000 Plus Lives.

2.) Having lost that argument, members of the Democratic Party authored all the Jim Crow Legislation in the South to continue their control of Blacks, Did all the Lynchings and kept the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) in strong operation for 100 plus years with their control of County Sheriffs and Judges. Then LBJ designed the Great Society Program to keep minorities in permanent bondage to the Democratic Party with handouts just above poverty - that went away if you got married or went to work.

3.) FDR and Truman's Democratic Administrations were loaded with Communists/Socialists who conducted espionage against the United States (Read the Veona Papers for payroll), giving the Communist World constant diplomatic and military intelligence to beat the West, along with the Atomic Bomb and the MIG-15 fighter technical advances they could not have developed themselves. (Look up Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, bomb AND NACA wind tunnel data stolen and shipped to Moscow.) Disloyal Americans are always a problem - and should be called out.

4.) Democratic Party Congressional Actions significantly and deliberately aided killing off two Free World Nations in support of Socialism/Communism in the past Century.

Exhibit A.) Nationalist China was locked in a battle on the mainland with Communist murderer Mao, supplied lavishly by the Soviet Union. Democrats voted to remove Free China's military aid in ammunition and fuel just before a crucial battle and Nationalist China fell and had to flee to Taiwan. Tens of Millions of Chinese were murdered after the Communists won - all with Democratic Congressional help.

Exhibit B.) Vietnam - likewise, the Democratic Congress of the 1960's and 70's was always quietly in favor of North Vietnam and against our fighting for human Freedom in South Vietnam, and ultimately cut necessary aid to South Vietnam after the US withdrawal, while North Vietnam was fully resupplied and rebuilt by the Chicoms and Russia. (I will, in fairness, give fully 50% of the credit for this loss of more (6-8) more millions of innocent lives in Asia to then Republican President (and former head of the Warren Commission) Gerald Ford (a "moderate/civil" wimp Republican, Dems loved him) - he failed to use our B-52s based on Guam to stop the 1974 re-invasion of the South by North Vietnam, which was the final blow to the Freedom 58,000+ US Servicemen had already paid for with their lives - and in direct violation of our Treaty with South Vietnam. But - give the Devil his due - Democrats in Congress cut critical aid to a dependent Ally on purpose - yet again!

5.) Moral leadership. Current Democrats are hostile to God Almighty and his Rules for a Good Life, on every level. Support for Drug Use, Abortion, Feminism, LGBTXYZ, Illegal Immigration, Public Immortality (Hollywood) and every other Pox that could be used to damage the lives of regular, law abiding, tax paying and God fearing Americans and steal away their children and also destroy their lives is WRITTEN INTO EVERY DEMOCRATIC STATE and NATIONAL PLATFORM. Perversion and Hatred comes from the Dark Side that Progressive/Leftist/Dems worship - the Right goes to Church, but can no longer reason with the Deranged Party who has lost all Moral Authority by it's tight embrace with anything Evil.

It is time for people on the Right (and In The Right) to stop being Civil with Leftists/Progressives/Dems - and adopt "Trumps Tone" X2 in justified Righteous Indignation. Talk back, Fight back or Lose, People. Win the moral/intellectual arguments NOW - or end up having to physically fight for all you hold dear when it may be too late. The only reason for having a 2nd Amendment is to keep tyrants, who always arise - in check.

Progressive, Leftist Democrats and their policies need to be called out and SHAMED and driven out of the Public Square, as they have actively done at every opportunity to every Conservative and Christian until now. Visit a college campus and try to discuss anything Christian or Conservative - they will shout you down and run you off the property - no civil discourse allowed there. The days of civility and fair debate with a Progressive/Leftist/Democrat passed long ago by their own hands and lack of respect for other's views - and when they became moral and political Enemies of the United States, her Constitution and the Creator of the Universe, Himself. As well as every form of Decency on the planet.

Compromise with Evil? I don't think so. And that includes Gun Rights, because without them (the 2nd) your Rights can easily end at the next Election - or next Planedemic. Time to grow a backbone and speak up and push back. Your kids and Grandkids have no chance if you fail to act - call your Congressional Reps regularly and fight the good fight at every opportunity. CC
 

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The all-or-nothing attitudes expressed on
this forum may very well result in nothing.

It's like listening to the old-time one true
faith adherents, breeders of intolerance.

Hopefully wiser gun rights thinkers will
save as many paths for self protection as
is prudently possible.

In the meantime, the most virulent
proponents of nearly unbridled gun
rights are a fast shrinking minority and
will be swept away.


That is funny. Those "wiser" gun rights thinkers got us where we are now. We are past that foolishness.
 

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I don't know what you are talking about. What unbridled rights are being proposed? Most of the people here are on this forum that you call virulent only seek to keep the rights we have from being taken away by more laws and regulations.
I would really like to know what unbridled right you are talking about if you can clarify that for me.

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Virulent
1. (of a disease or poison) extremely severe or harmful in its effects.

2. bitterly hostile.

Which one of these definitions are you applying to forum members. I guess you honestly think the democrats will give in and play nice once all the mean pro gun people are gone.

What I find hard to believe is those lefty gun owners actually believe the things that they post. That is hard to imagine. I thought the same as you when I read that post.
 

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Read post #412 again, Carefully - and understand that the writer expects you to compromise your PRINCIPLES based on God Given Rights, as he has already done so. Trump uses his tweets to set the national agenda he wants, every day - clever. But the "Non-Civility" is the Left's doing - and that is much bigger than Mr. Trump.
Col Colt, o7

(that's a text salute, for those that don't know)

It really did start as far back as the 20's, with the first waves of Marxist/Socialist German Jews escaping the coming ****storm and getting teaching posts in our schools.

We need to attack this from multiple angles at once, some short-term, some long-term, and I fear no one's thinking in these terms.

Short-term: Incessant media / newmedia barrages calling out *every* single time the Looney Left does their thing. It's already happening, and chinavirus is actually helping it along. Every time those Bluetopia governors squeeze their grips on their people's throats, the more the people wake up.

Long term: We need to fix our schools and our media. For a century now both have been used to indoctrinate on an industrial scale. Who here remembers the radio Dragnet episode of the kid who shot his friend with a Christmas .22 rifle? That's nasty anti-gun right there, as innocent as a flu shot, right?

No one's thinking about how to fix the problem. As always, start with the kids. Fix the schools!
 

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Col Colt

Your post (#421) was one of the most cogent, well articulated posts I have seen here for quite a while, so I salute your eloquence and your mind-set in evaluation of the Progressive/Communist/Leftist "tools of the trade" observations and conclusions. I salute you sir!
 

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Another +1911 to/for Col. Colt's post #421.

I found the following to be extraordinarily well-conceived and articulated:

From Col. Colt's superb post #421. "Going armed may seem edgy to some, but it keeps those with a Police State mentality at bay while you conduct your First Amendment Peaceful Protest, undisturbed. And it lets the other side know you are Deadly Serious about your Civil Rights. And, after all, it is a reminder of a Right. To be in public. Armed to make a point. Glad the other side got the Message - We, the People, still know our Rights - and you had better back off, Petty little tyrants."

And this insight, extraordinarily well-stated by Col. Colt, has persuaded me to view armed protesters in a still more positive light than before.
 

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Read post #412 again, Carefully - and understand that the writer expects you to compromise your PRINCIPLES that are correctly based on God Given Rights, since he has already done so. Trump uses his tweets to set the national agenda he wants, every day - clever. But the "Non-Civility" is the Left's doing - and that is much bigger than Mr. Trump.

The Hard Line - based on the God Given Rights of Man in 1776 - "Not One Step Farther" - and they backed it up with armed resistance to enforce those Rights. I pray we never come to the same spot, but if it comes to that, so be it. I just watched a documentary on what happens to an unarmed People that resists tyrannical Governmental Power (Burma, 2012) - and those who protest or resist without arms in their hands are shot - or "disappear". Do a Google Search on the "Bonus Marchers in Washington D.C." - the US Army attacked and killed unarmed US Citizens engaged in peaceful protest in DC in the 1930's. Going armed may seem edgy to some, but it keeps those with a Police State mentality at bay while you conduct your First Amendment Peaceful Protest, undisturbed. And it lets the other side know you are Deadly Serious about your Civil Rights. And, after all, it is a reminder of a Right. To be in public. Armed to make a point. Glad the other side got the Message - We, the People, still know our Rights - and you had better back off, Petty little tyrants.

I understand why Uncle Ed misses the old "Civility" and Panty Waisted "Niceness" from his political Enemies - (like "Presidential" George Bush Jr.) so the Left can keep on playing hard ball with the soft, weak Right and WINNING by their unethical, EVIL, underhanded and lying ways of doing business. Civility is a WEAPON the Left uses to keep the Polite Right Quiet and beat us, thus Uncle Ed points out the need for it now. He wants his (anti-gun) side to win, overall - apparently the 2nd Amendment is NOT his line in the sand for Freedom, and we must all be "reasonable" and "compromise" - until our Rights are compromised away....

Make no mistake, the Left is always on the Attack - and they have NO Scruples - or Morals. Thus they have made Civility a suicide pact for people on the Right. (Hint, if your majority largely don't believe in God, you don't have to worry about any Rules to go by. Cheating and lying, vote harvesting, etc., are just acceptable tools.)

So - Let's talk - honestly - about the Democratic Party and it's documented Record of Political Achievements - and this is just the "short and quick list".

1.) 1860 - Supporters of SLAVERY and cause of the Civil War, costing 500,000 Plus Lives.

2.) Having lost that argument, members of the Democratic Party authored all the Jim Crow Legislation in the South to continue their control of Blacks, Did all the Lynchings and kept the KKK (Klu Klux Klan) in strong operation for 100 plus years with their control of County Sheriffs and Judges. Then LBJ designed the Great Society Program to keep minorities in permanent bondage to the Democratic Party with handouts just above poverty - that went away if you got married or went to work.

3.) FDR and Truman's Democratic Administrations were loaded with Communists/Socialists who conducted espionage against the United States (Read the Veona Papers for payroll), giving the Communist World constant diplomatic and military intelligence to beat the West, along with the Atomic Bomb and the MIG-15 fighter technical advances they could not have developed themselves. (Look up Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, bomb AND NACA wind tunnel data stolen and shipped to Moscow.) Disloyal Americans are always a problem - and should be called out.

4.) Democratic Party Congressional Actions significantly and deliberately aided killing off two Free World Nations in support of Socialism/Communism in the past Century.

Exhibit A.) Nationalist China was locked in a battle on the mainland with Communist murderer Mao, supplied lavishly by the Soviet Union. Democrats voted to remove Free China's military aid in ammunition and fuel just before a crucial battle and Nationalist China fell and had to flee to Taiwan. Tens of Millions of Chinese were murdered after the Communists won - all with Democratic Congressional help.

Exhibit B.) Vietnam - likewise, the Democratic Congress of the 1960's and 70's was always quietly in favor of North Vietnam and against our fighting for human Freedom in South Vietnam, and ultimately cut necessary aid to South Vietnam after the US withdrawal, while North Vietnam was fully resupplied and rebuilt by the Chicoms and Russia. (I will, in fairness, give fully 50% of the credit for this loss of more (6-8) more millions of innocent lives in Asia to then Republican President (and former head of the Warren Commission) Gerald Ford (a "moderate/civil" wimp Republican, Dems loved him) - he failed to use our B-52s based on Guam to stop the 1974 re-invasion of the South by North Vietnam, which was the final blow to the Freedom 58,000+ US Servicemen had already paid for with their lives - and in direct violation of our Treaty with South Vietnam. But - give the Devil his due - Democrats in Congress cut critical aid to a dependent Ally on purpose - yet again!

5.) Moral leadership. Current Democrats are hostile to God Almighty and his Rules for a Good Life, on every level. Support for Drug Use, Abortion, Feminism, LGBTXYZ, Illegal Immigration, Public Immortality (Hollywood) and every other Pox that could be used to damage the lives of regular, law abiding, tax paying and God fearing Americans and steal away their children and also destroy their lives is WRITTEN INTO EVERY DEMOCRATIC STATE and NATIONAL PLATFORM. Perversion and Hatred comes from the Dark Side that Progressive/Leftist/Dems worship - the Right goes to Church, but can no longer reason with the Deranged Party who has lost all Moral Authority by it's tight embrace with anything Evil.

It is time for people on the Right (and In The Right) to stop being Civil with Leftists/Progressives/Dems - and adopt "Trumps Tone" X2 in justified Righteous Indignation. Talk back, Fight back or Lose, People. Win the moral/intellectual arguments NOW - or end up having to physically fight for all you hold dear when it may be too late. The only reason for having a 2nd Amendment is to keep tyrants, who always arise - in check.

Progressive, Leftist Democrats and their policies need to be called out and SHAMED and driven out of the Public Square, as they have actively done at every opportunity to every Conservative and Christian until now. Visit a college campus and try to discuss anything Christian or Conservative - they will shout you down and run you off the property - no civil discourse allowed there. The days of civility and fair debate with a Progressive/Leftist/Democrat passed long ago by their own hands and lack of respect for other's views - and when they became moral and political Enemies of the United States, her Constitution and the Creator of the Universe, Himself. As well as every form of Decency on the planet.

Compromise with Evil? I don't think so. And that includes Gun Rights, because without them (the 2nd) your Rights can easily end at the next Election - or next Planedemic. Time to grow a backbone and speak up and push back. Your kids and Grandkids have no chance if you fail to act - call your Congressional Reps regularly and fight the good fight at every opportunity. CC

Straight up truth.


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Well Col. Colt got those libs to be quiet for a few hours at least. That is a great feat in itself.
 

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Something to consider:

To the Left, the Patriots are Extremists, Terrorists, Dissenters and worse. And right now they're using the chinavirus lockdown protests to illustrate the point. "They're armed!" Yea, so? WE ARE! And *lawfully* so!

The only thing that has changed is, back then, the tyrants were appointed for us. Today, a sizable chunk of America has been brainwashed into voting them in.

And there's a lot of that in here. You can tell, just by reading this very thread

What raises my hackles isn't someone "attacking" the President. I"m not personally fond of Trump, I don't see him as a god, but I voted him in because he's loud, brash, in your face, and gets things done. I don't care about decorum and PC, I want results, not more quagmire. And unless the man absolutely ****s the bed in the next few months, I will vote for him again.

What raises my hackles is seeing gun-owners spout Lefty nonsense. That's what irks me. How people of the gun persuation fail to see the Wizard of Oz is running the show, and that it's all a show. How can you not see that?!

We're not asking you to drink the Trump Kool-Aid. We're asking you to drink the USA-First Kool-Aid. The Liberty Kool-Aid. We're asking you to open your eyes to the 50, 60 years of Democrat ruin. Immigration Reform of '65. GCA of '68. Carter's inability to inspire and lead. Clinton's selling us out to China, and pushing to allow China into the WTO. And all the Obama nonsense. THen there's the behind-the-sceners like Schumer, Pelosi, Nadler and that bunch. Why are some of you incapable of seeing and recognizing the damage done to our country by all of the above since Ike exited the white house?

It started with FDR, honestly. And was interrupted by WWII. But this trainwreck is nearly a century in the making.

I'll make it crystal clear -- this *is* zero-sum situation. If you're not with us, by default you're against us. We have no use for Fudds. We have no use for "Reasonable Gun Control" We have no use at *all* for the Left. NFA is infringing on the 2A. GCA of '68 is infringing on 2A. Every scrap of gun control ever passed is an affront to the Constitution.

I dont' *care* what your celebrities tell you. Or your priest, or pastor. Or your barber. Any vote at all for a Democrat, at this point in time, is an act of treason.

This is how I feel. And I've only recently come to adopt this position in the past 10 years, since say, Sandy Hook, Benghazi and that pallet of cash. I used to be much more of a centrist. My alarm bells started going off when China was allowed into the WTO at Clinton's insistance. NAFTA rang my alarm pretty bad too.

But some of you here, just keep on cruisin' thinking it's all good. it's not, and chinavirus has exposed just how close we are to boogaloo.

But if it does come to that, ffs, don't call it "civil war." Call it by its proper name, a War of Restoration.

Because folks, this country needs a frame-off restoration.

In 2020, there's Patriots, Traitors, and Useful Idiots. That's it.
Not sh***ing the bed really is a pretty low bar though based on his actual ability as someone who is supposed to be a leader he clears that bar but barely on a regular basis. But at least it's refreshing to hear from someone who doesn't appear to think he's playing some sort of voodoo 10D Chess or someone who thinks he's God's gift to man.

By that I mean that although he may talk a good game he rarely does those things that a good leader would. It's one thing to talk a good game but it's entirely another to make sure those things necessary to execute it have or will take place. He's good at throwing the grenade and creating chaos but he really has ever been any good at the actual execution.

This is not only true now but it's been true his whole life. He's never really truly been successful at anything he's actually managed. Yes he was successful at being a reality TV star or licensing his name to others who actually own and operate hotels with his name but not at actually managing anything. Those he has managed have almost always been unsuccessful. Sure he had someone write a book that says he is but he does that all of the time. False claims that rarely have anything to do with the actual truth. He's makes his mark by repeating things to the point people hear it enough that they begin to believe it even if it never happened.

So it's one thing to say something but it's entirely different to see it through and make it happen. Tweeting a policy before coordinating it with your staff is but one example that comes to mind. Saying your going to ban certain countries before the proper measures are in place and ready is another. You know the mundane stuff the actual work. That's also very evident in the TV personalities and yes men he's had to actively recruit. Saying one thing while the rest of your staff is saying something else is but another. Sh** Show yes, capable leader or manager No.

So me thinks he"ll break plenty of china but me doubts he will ever make anything let alone make anything great.
 

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^^^

Dems has sunk to such low levels, no longer offering even the appearance of support for Constitutional rights, that whoever is most capable of attracting votes away from those Dems begins to look really good.

Trump was the one who, against most perceptions of election odds, upstaged the Crooked One in 2016. The excitement Trump managed to create in his rallies was a key element. No other candidate came close.

Whether that makes a great President is a different question, a distinction I totally get.

Such is the political game. And as a mere voter in that game, nothing more than a voter, the direction of my vote is obviously going for four more years.
 

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^^^

Dems has sunk to such low levels, no longer offering even the appearance of support for Constitutional rights, that whoever is most capable of attracting votes away from those Dems begins to look really good.

Trump was the one who, against most perceptions of election odds, upstaged the Crooked One in 2016. The excitement Trump managed to create in his rallies was a key element. No other candidate came close.

Whether that makes a great President is a different question, a distinction I totally get.

Such is the political game. And as a mere voter in that game, nothing more than a voter, the direction of my vote is obviously going for four more years.
The Reality TV Star Won, Yippee. Just what I was hoping for all those years ago. Really too bad Oprah won't be running, that really would have made my day. Maybe just maybe we can get a Pawn Star or even Kim Kardashian to run next.
 

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As long as they are Republican and pro 2a they are better than any Dem. By far. What is wrong with an actor being President? I would trust one of them as much as I would a career politician.
 

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As long as they are Republican and pro 2a they are better than any Dem. By far.
But in the meantime it seems the bar is getting even lower with either party. Bernie, yes Bernie almost made it. 2 Cars, College, 3 Houses, Five Dogs, and free Happy Meals for everybody. Smiles for everybody.
 

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But in the meantime it seems the bar is getting even lower with either party. Bernie, yes Bernie almost made it. 2 Cars, College, 3 Houses, Five Dogs, and free Happy Meals for everybody. Smiles for everybody.

The dims. have set their bar very low. Sleepy Joe or a communist. Yes real winners. Compared to those choices Trump is looking wonderful. I think that I will be voting for the Trumpster. Even if he is a lowly reality show actor. Ronald Reagan was an actor before he became President. I guess he sucked as a President also?:dope:
 

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The dims. have set their bar very low. Sleepy Joe or a communist. Yes real winners. Compared to those choices Trump is looking wonderful. I think that I will be voting for the Trumpster. Even if he is a lowly reality show actor. Ronald Reagan was an actor before he became President. I guess he sucked as a President also?:dope:
Reagan actually had political experience and Reagan came just at the right time. I think he may have been president of the screen actors guild first and then Governor of California so he had political experience. He ran for President once if not twice before winning. He led us out of the doldrums or malaise of the seventies. He was the Great Communicator. He had his faults too, but no Reagan for all of his faults was a leader and in my opinion was the right man for the right time.

Really hated that Bush lost his bid for his second term. He checked his watch, but Perot was the nail in the coffin. Can't believe as well as he handled things he lost. Bush had a vast degree of experience and it showed. He also had a great staff. Really wasn't happy about that one at all.

Dole as upstanding and possibly competent as he may have been might just have been to boring. I voted for him but not enough did.

Bush's Boy was a drop out and it showed. I thought the staff from Daddy would do the trick but just goes to show you it's the man in the chair not those around him that matter most.
 

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Reagan actually had political experience and Reagan came just at the right time. Reagan was an Actor but he was The Great Communicator. He actually had a way of inspiring people and motivated us and got us out of the doldrums or malaise of the seventies. He had his faults too, but no Reagan for all of his faults was a leader and in my opinion was the right man for the right time.

Really hated that Bush lost his bid for his second term. He checked his watch, but Perot was the nail in the coffin. Can't believe as well as he handled things he lost. Bush had a vast degree of experience and it showed. He also had a great staff. Really wasn't happy about that one at all.
Political experience is a bad thing with most politicians. Reagan excluded. I know all about Reagan. And quite a bit about politics and libtards by the way.

Trump may not be a great communicator. But he has a lot of accomplishments. Against all odds. He is exactly what we need as a Republican President at this time. He has done a much better job than I ever thought he would have. He has already completed many of the promises that he made before the election. Most Presidents don't get but a fraction of the things completed that they say that they are going to do.

He is doing extremely well good at his new job. For an actor.
 
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