BBR 3.10

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Levian

Discussion Starter · 5 mo ago

Now in 9mm flavor. Starting to look like this year is gonna be expensive, because I actually kinda want this. Might sell my CSX in favor of this, depending on what it feels like in the hand. Photo from the promo email:

And promo text:

The Baby Rock (BBR) Series is expanding again with the addition of the BBR 3.10 9mm!

With a 3.10” barrel, it’s the perfect companion for self-defense. It has stable low-profile angled sights and front and rear CNC angle grooves for easy cycling.

Now in 9mm, you have a new option if you’re looking for less recoil along with the added bonus of lower cost ammunition.

Be ready for anything with a Baby Rock 3.10 9mm.

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StuartV

· #2 · 5 mo ago

Well, hello!

Any idea if the 9mm mags for the Tac Ultra FS HC 9mm will work in this?

Any idea how wide it is across the grip area?

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Levian

Discussion Starter · #3 · 5 mo ago

That is a good question. Just eyeballing the BBR series it looks like they're made with RIA's double stack frames but I couldn't answer that without having one in hand to try.

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StuartV

· #4 · 5 mo ago

I emailed Armscor to ask.

Also, I was just looking at more pictures of it. That grip safety looks REALLY short. Presumably, it has to be that short in order for the mainspring housing to be long enough. But, the grip safety looks WAY shorter than a standard grip safety on a Commander or Gov't model. I don't know that I'd want to trust myself to properly depress that in a high stress situation.

I've been on the lookout for a very small double stack 9mm that actually has a really nice trigger, to change to for EDC.

I have a Hellcat, but even after putting in a Powder River kit and a Hyve trigger shoe, the trigger is still pretty sucky. I only carry it when my bobtail Commander is just too big or heavy for my circumstances at the time.

I was thinking I was going to have to pony up the exorbitant money for a Wilson SFX9, in order to get what I want.

Now, Canik just announced the Mete MC9. After looking at this BBR, I think I'm probably going to get the new Canik to become my new EDC. I have a Canik Rival now and the trigger on it is fantastic. Out of the box, it was DAMN close to a decent 1911 trigger. Mainly just suffering from a longer take-up than what a decent 1911 would have. I'm expecting the new MC9 to have the same trigger and that will make me MORE than happy for an EDC gun.

Related: The BBR spec says 1.5" width. I reckon it's basically the same as my RIA Tac Ultra FS HC, which is a FATTY in the hand. The new Canik MC9 spec says 1.12" width. That is thinner than a 1911 single stack! And it holds 12+1 rounds of 9mm. I know it will feel more "square" in the hand than a 1911 single stack, but that's okay. What's important to me is how well it will conceal. A micro 9 is not going to be a range fun toy (for me).

Bonus: The MC9 is optics ready, out of the box. With multiple different optic plate adapters in the box, I believe.

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StuartV

· #5 · 5 mo ago

I got a reply from Armscor Support:

I asked: "Can you tell me if the BBR 3.10 9mm pistol (SKU 56639) will operate with the same magazines used in the Tac Ultra FS HC 9mm (SKU 51679)?"

They replied: "Thank you for reaching out to us. We are glad to help with your concern. Unfortunately, it will not fit. As per management, we don't offer extra magazines for this model yet. Please keep an eye on our website for the upcoming new items:

Magazines - Page 1 - Advanced Tactical"

I'm skeptical that that is the correct answer. But, it is the "official" answer.

Meaning, I would certainly not buy a BBR 3.10 9mm at this time. No way I'm interested in owning anything I can only have 1 or 2 mags for.

The Canik MC9 will work with any of the Canik mags - i.e. 12, 15, 18, and 20 round mags. And those are readily available and I already have a bunch. 12+1 concealed with a 20 round backup, ready to go. A pretty sweet concealed carry setup.

And if you're not getting a BBR 3.10 for concealed carry, why would you buy it at all?

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Levian

Discussion Starter · #6 · 4 mo ago

Fair points I suppose.

I don't know if the grips being a little wider would necessarily deter me from carrying it. The two guns I carry most are a full size 1911, and a 1st Gen Smith & Wesson M&P 40. The M&P is 1.3" wide, another .17 is probably not going to make or break my carry habits. Which is simply to say that I'm stubborn as heck and probably would carry it.

And you're likely right with respect to picking a gun that's optic ready. Granted slides can always be sent out for machining, but that's extra cost and time and IMO it's becoming common enough that if a gun doesn't come optic ready I'm less likely to take interest. I only have one gunwith an optic mounted, but the more I use it the more I like it and desire to expand that.

Just eyeballing the pistol I suspect you're right, I'm dubious about the response that their 17 round mags wouldn't fit. I've got some of those lying around because I intend to pick up one of their (larger) doublestack 9mms should I ever stumble across one. It would be interesting to check and see if it's a go or no-go. Maybe if the range ever gets one in for rental I can find out without having to buy one.

But the more I think about it the more I'm thinking that I'll come to the same conclusion regarding the BBR that I have with the CSX - it would more or less be a 'compromise gun' trading off capacity and perhaps a little accuracy in favor of concealability. And in the case of the BBR not even gaining as much in terms of concealability. And that would ultimately mean I wouldn't carry it too much. All else equal I'd rather have a mid to full size gun I'm more confident and competent with and print a little than a gun that conceals better but isn't terribly good beyond 15 yards in my hands.

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Steam Boat

· #7 · 4 mo ago (Edited)

As with the 3.10 in .45 ACP, Other magazines will have to be slightly modified to work properly, see the thread : BBR 3.10 Short & Fat.

~~To the OP, can you link the ad or url ?~~
Never mind, According to the RIA site listing, the 9mm version is only a 10 round magazine, no capacity gain over the .45 ACP for the smaller caliber….. Meh.
I’ll stick with the .45
But,
If Sig came out with a double stack or staggered magazine P938…… Now that would get my attention.

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lonerider1013

· #8 · 4 mo ago

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I think it is neat, but the grip looks kind of tiny. Maybe with the magazine in it is a tad longer?

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StuartV

· #9 · 4 mo ago

Levian said:
Fair points I suppose.

I don't know if the grips being a little wider would necessarily deter me from carrying it. The two guns I carry most are a full size 1911, and a 1st Gen Smith & Wesson M&P 40. The M&P is 1.3" wide, another .17 is probably not going to make or break my carry habits. Which is simply to say that I'm stubborn as heck and probably would carry it.

And you're likely right with respect to picking a gun that's optic ready. Granted slides can always be sent out for machining, but that's extra cost and time and IMO it's becoming common enough that if a gun doesn't come optic ready I'm less likely to take interest. I only have one gunwith an optic mounted, but the more I use it the more I like it and desire to expand that.

Just eyeballing the pistol I suspect you're right, I'm dubious about the response that their 17 round mags wouldn't fit. I've got some of those lying around because I intend to pick up one of their (larger) doublestack 9mms should I ever stumble across one. It would be interesting to check and see if it's a go or no-go. Maybe if the range ever gets one in for rental I can find out without having to buy one.

But the more I think about it the more I'm thinking that I'll come to the same conclusion regarding the BBR that I have with the CSX - it would more or less be a 'compromise gun' trading off capacity and perhaps a little accuracy in favor of concealability. And in the case of the BBR not even gaining as much in terms of concealability. And that would ultimately mean I wouldn't carry it too much. All else equal I'd rather have a mid to full size gun I'm more confident and competent with and print a little than a gun that conceals better but isn't terribly good beyond 15 yards in my hands.

I pretty much agree with you. My current EDC is a bobtail Commander in 38 Super. A single stack with 10+1. The butt may be longer than a BBR, but it's so much slimmer and has the bobtail - I feel like it is a fair bit more easily concealed. The extra barrel length is a non-issue, in that respect.

Further, with an optic, sight radius is a non-factor, so I don't feel like I will have any issues with accuracy with a 3" gun - presuming decent quality, of course, and talking about 25 yards or less.

I got my first gun with an optic about a year ago (a Canik) and have been shooting Caniks in USPSA Carry Optics ever since, to try and prepare myself for using a dot on my EDC. I feel like I'm ready now. So, if that new Canik MC9 shoots as well as my other Caniks (which is to say, REALLY well), I think it will make a great new carry gun. 12+1 of 9mm +P+ in a package so small I will carry it even in some places where I don't carry my current EDC, just because of size/weight.

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Steam Boat

· #10 · 4 mo ago

lonerider1013 said:
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I think it is neat, but the grip looks kind of tiny. Maybe with the magazine in it is a tad longer?

Yep,
The grip is short, even with the magazine inserted, your pinky finger is hanging below the base plate.
That is why I modified finger rest base plates to fit the magazines for my.45 ACP 3.10 magazines.
Then modified PARA P13 magazines to work in the BBR3.10 for more capacity.

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Levian

Discussion Starter · #11 · 4 mo ago

Little bit more information on the 9mm BBR can be found here:

Of note: No porting, since it isn't needed to tame the recoil. Meaning they could put the fiber optic front sight back on it. Same magazine pattern as their full size mags - so you can stuff an 17 round 9mm magazine into these.

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Steam Boat

· #12 · 4 mo ago

Levian said:
Little bit more information on the 9mm BBR can be found here:

Of note: No porting, since it isn't needed to tame the recoil. Meaning they could put the fiber optic front sight back on it. Same magazine pattern as their full size mags - so you can stuff an 17 round 9mm magazine into these.

FYI,
I had the magazine fitment issues with the full size double stack RIA 1911a2 magazines in my BBR 3.10.
The reason I used the Para P13 magazines for experimenting was the price difference between the RIA full size double stacks and the Para P13‘s price at the time, and the Paras came with the collar.
If you feel comfortable taking a chance hacking on a $40+ magazine to make it fit the BBR, let us know the outcome. Besides the RIA double stack magazines are perpetually out of stock.

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Dino11

· #13 · 4 mo ago

Here is a picture of my BBR next to a .40 Shield, You can modify an XDM pinky extension to fit the BBR magazine.

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unixfool

· #14 · 4 mo ago

I was looking at the 9mm BBR 3.10 but that grip is an afterthought in the extreme. Gonna have to pass on it.

I'm looking for a 2011-patterned handgun this year, as well as the Canik Mete MC9. I want a small 2011 and will be trying to carry it AIWB, so may be choosing the Bul Armory SAS II Ultralight or the upcoming EAA Witness 2311 Officer 9mm.

I'd do a RIA MS Tac Ultra HC 9mm, but they're nowhere to be found.

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