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Best 45 ACP self defense ammo

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I'm told Federal HST +P is pretty good. I just shot 20 rounds of it at the range. The recoil is sharper than the FMJ and I had to adjust to it. Looking for other opinions.
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So I’ve glossed over this whole thread and it took till post 50 for someone to even mention Corbon which used to be a very highly respected round 30 years ago, and is what I carry.

Compared to the newer stuff on the market, how do they stack up these days?
I'm told Federal HST +P is pretty good. I just shot 20 rounds of it at the range. The recoil is sharper than the FMJ and I had to adjust to it. Looking for other opinions.
Winchester Ranger T +P 230g hollowpoint (clone of the politically incorrect "Black Talon")
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I've seen gel tests at Lucky Gunner a

I've heard that they replaced Black talon with SXT, which stood for Same eXact Thing.
I believe SXT stood for "Superior Expansion Technology" but Same eXact Thing was definitely the joke at the time :)
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I have tried various loads but tend to use 230gr ball of various manufacture the most. Really do not see the need for any thing else.

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I understand the HSTs are the best JHP defense ammo. The solid copper offerings are in vogue now and I want to try some of them. I have 500 147g HSTs to work with in my Super. The Lehi Defense bullets are now owned by Wilson and look to be the optimum if overpenetration is not an issue
I am currently using 124g Sierra V Crowns in my Super at 1350fps. But I don't have any visual data.

Go to Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition - Ballistic Testing Data for a good visual of performance

In my 45acp I currently use 200g Sig V Crowns for factory ammunition. But I feel well protected shooting 200g Cast SWCs I load myself.
And absolutely nothing lacking in the standard 230g FMJ ammunition. It has been working for 2 wars and many conflicts.
I can't say I have experience defending myself with Lehigh (Wilson) Defense rounds, but I have shot many at the range. OOOOOOOOOH MAMA! At 21ft the 135gr Xtreme Defenders 45 Super actually punch perfect holes through the paper like using a paper punch. They don't tear the target like FMJs do. They move @ 1500fps. If you can find the 120gr of the same type, they move @ 1600fps :)

Wep I use: S.A. TRP Full Rail w / bull barrel
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I carry what I practice with: handloaded 225 gr copper-plated, round nose flat point. Chrono'd at 875 fps.
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The best is what you have loaded when SHTF. I feel well protected with cast SWCs with a BN over 15 in my 45s. It makes a big hole and hits with authority. If in doubt I have 230g V Crowns ready to go when out on the town.
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200 grain Wilson Combat XTP hollowpoints at 950 fps. Works well in 4 1/4" and 3 1/2" barrels.
I have settled on the Lehigh Xtreme Defender bullets in all of my carry and home defense pistols. Usually those loaded by Underwood. I use at least +P and +P+ when it's available. Yes, shot placement is king but velocity is the queen right beside him. These Lehigh bullets do not fragment nor expand but the flutes do tend to fling tissue outwards, making a temporary wound cavity that is larger than any hollow point ammo on the market. Penetration is consistent in gel tests and while adequate, is not excessive. The bullets are barrier blind and due to their round nose profile, work in virtually all semi auto pistols. What's not to like? Even their pricing is about the same (or less!) as other premium ammo.

Bullets such as the fragmenting type or Glasers tend to not penetrate very well and often leave massive flesh wounds that do not stop the fight quickly. While the FMJ (of any style, including SWC and flat nose) are noted for their failures which have been well documented over the years. They are simply not the best bullet for SD/HD. While they will work, an "instant" stop is pure luck or Bob Munden shooting skills, that 99% of us simply do not have. They work... eventually. In the mean time a 250 lb. thug is unscrewing your head. No thanks!

There are other bullets that work... Gold dots (especially the SB, or short barrel versions), HST, Golden Sabers, V Crowns, etc. Personally, I want every bit, every single percentage point, of advantage I can get. If using a hollow point, you want that bullet going as fast as possible, but not to the point it comes apart and doesn't penetrate (most 10mm hollow points were designed for the 40 Short & Weak and thus are not suitable for use in full power 10mm ammo). Personally, I like the 185 gr. Gold Dot HP in my .45's if I were to use up my limited supply of Underwood ammo. I have them stepping along fairly quickly at almost 1100 fps. They do not fragment (most bonded bullets have to be pushed extremely hard to make them not work correctly) nor do the petals fold back along the shank, making the bullet close to an FMJ after the initial opening... but they still penetrate well, so all is not lost! If using factory ammo (other than those using the Lehigh bullet) I usually choose the lighter bullets going as fast as they are willing to load them. However, I usually avoid factory ammo because they tend to load them much too lightly (Speer is very bad about that!).

Personally, I have, starting two years ago, transitioned from the .45 ACP to 10mm, although I still carry the .45 around my property. As much as I like the .45, I like the 10mm a whole lot more! With the light weight Underwood ammo, there is less recoil to deal with making follow up shots easy.

You use whatever makes you sleep better, as I will. I sleep like a baby!
Cheers,
crkckr
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I'm told Federal HST +P is pretty good. I just shot 20 rounds of it at the range. The recoil is sharper than the FMJ and I had to adjust to it. Looking for other opinions.
Agreed IMO all hyper loads do nothing to help your firearm stay in one piece after a while .. That plus your statement about Re Adjusting your aim . Any well placed round will do the job & yes I'm talking about even a .38 S&W considering the distance to the Bad Guy .
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They carry whatever 9mm the department got the best deal on.
Normally they can only carry what their department allows IMO ..
Normally they can only carry what their department allows IMO ..
Generally, the days of officers providing their own duty ammunition are over. Most mid to large depts buy an official ammunition for practice/qualification/duty issue to their officers. Most of the time a contract or purchase order goes to the lowest bidder. Most ammunition makers have a sales dept dedicated to police sales/orders. When I was in a shop, we would bet notices from ammo sales reps of special deals on LE over-run ammo, usually Federal +P+, if we bought say 10 cases or more.

I'm not saying no LEOs don't have to furnish their own duty ammo, but it is becoming very rare.
I reckon a few still have an approved ammo list, and either reimburse the individual or provide an allowance.
M60, he did not readjust his aim, he just had to adjust to different recoil (and probably muzzle blast). A well placed round is a great idea, unfortunately, actually getting that perfectly placed shot is a lot more problematic in the real world. And who knows what the distance will be? Ask Mr. Dickens how many times he practiced shooting at 40 yards? I do... with a rifle. Longer distances, no matter how small the odds might be, are now in my pistol practice.

If you are in a gunfight for your life you want every advantage you can get, no matter how slight it might be. Never pass up the opportunity to get that advantage because your life, or the life of someone you care about, might just hang in the balance! Most of us carry a firearm because there is a slight chance we might actually need it, while knowing that the chances are pretty slim that we will actually have the need. An insurance policy we all hope to never have to cash in. But if you ever do have to cash it in, hopefully you won't find yourself "under insured!"
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crkckr
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BTW, +P or even +P+ will not wear out any quality firearm so quickly that you will notice the difference. It would take thousands of rounds that few can even afford, much less dedicate the time to!
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crkckr
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I'm told Federal HST +P is pretty good. I just shot 20 rounds of it at the range. The recoil is sharper than the FMJ and I had to adjust to it. Looking for other opinions.
HST open up too quick, IMO. Especially so in +P form.


I understand the HSTs are the best JHP defense ammo. The solid copper offerings are in vogue now and I want to try some of them. I have 500 147g HSTs to work with in my Super. The Lehi Defense bullets are now owned by Wilson and look to be the optimum if overpenetration is not an issue
I am currently using 124g Sierra V Crowns in my Super at 1350fps. But I don't have any visual data.

Go to Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition - Ballistic Testing Data for a good visual of performance

In my 45acp I currently use 200g Sig V Crowns for factory ammunition. But I feel well protected shooting 200g Cast SWCs I load myself.
And absolutely nothing lacking in the standard 230g FMJ ammunition. It has been working for 2 wars and many conflicts.
Col. Jeff Cooper like flat nose the most. I guess it is very close to SWCs.


5" gun? Federal 230 gr HST.
You really don't need +P.
The +P load will cause the HST to penetrate less.
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So how many of these expert opinions are based in any part on the results of actual police or self-defense shootings with the ammunition so recommended? :cool:
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So how many of these expert opinions are based in any part on the results of actual police or self-defense shootings with the ammunition so recommended? :cool:
I'm no expert, but I have an opinion anyway ... Even the most expensive ammo penetrating to the vitals needs multiple hits to stop the fight ... Keep shooting ... Multiple lethal hits are important.

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I use Hornady Critical Defense and call it a day.
Col. Jeff liked what worked best - at that time! Bullet technology has changed a whole lot since then and mostly for the better! The selection of bullets available today would probably not surprise most of the old timers but they simply wern't available to them then.

HST doesn't penetrate well? I'm going to call hooey on that statement! In the Lucky Gunner tests the 230 HST penetrated 14" while the +P version penetrated 14.9. Unless you're shooting an extremely fat person, those numbers will get the bullet well into the vitals. This is, by the way, about the average penetration depth for most of the premium self defense ammo.

Personally, I like to see more on the order of 16 - 18" of penetration, which my favorite bullets, the Lehigh Xtreme Defenders, achieve easily. But I don't live in any kind of city and I'm not in the least concerned with over penetration. My second favorite bullet, and my back up for the costly Lehigh ammo, are my hand loaded 45 ACP 185gr. Speer Gold Dots, which are definitely +P. Their penetration is not as much as the Xtreme Defender bullets but it's right up there with the best available.

And before anyone says anything about using hand loads for SD, #1., I live out in the boonies of Missouri where prosecution for using such ammo is pretty unlikely. #2., my ammo is better than anything you can buy. #3. If I ever get into my back up ammo, things have really gone down the toilet!

Factory ammo, once carefully inspected and chamber checked by the end user, is probably in the 99% reliability range, give or take a couple of tenths. My ammo is 100%. Period. End of story.
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crkckr
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I use Speer 185 gr. GoldDots on 8.6 gr. of CFE Pistol. Shoots great out of all my 1911’s, especially my RO Compact which gets carry duty often. I developed a load that closely duplicates it with some 185 FN bullets that are pretty cheap so as to get realistic performance in range practice. And no, I am not going to fret over using my loads vs factory SD ammo. Like crkckr says, my loads are better anyway.
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