I carried the 230 HST in my 1911, 165 HST in my Sig40 and 124HST in my shield backup.Ask your local LEO what they carry.
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never have had to use it in Self defense but it’s my 1911 standardYears ago purchased .45 ACP Winchester Black Talon before Winchester took the line off the civilian market, that's my "go to" defensive load then Speer Gold Dots. Its in the net, some company did a test on all HP defensive ammo years ago, Fed HST and Gold Dots were the best in all calibers.
Nice results, when they can be obtained. Remember that the mere fact of being in a fire fight will probably deteriorate your shooting skills. Hitting a face in the heat of battle may require more skill than is available, when bullets fly in both directions. Hitting a torso is more likely, though still no guarantee. The larger wound channel wrought by the large-bore projectiles will likely help counter-balance the effect of damaging tissues less immediately vital to survival.I use .45 cal. FMJ. In 9mm, I have Hornady Critical Defense and SIG V365.
2 rounds to the face/forehead seems to be the commonality between calibers.
My opinion is 14 or 15 inches isn't deep enough. Frequently, hollow point bullets hitting humans penetrate less than what they do in gel. One person hit with a Hydra-shok said it only penetrated a few inches. In the eastern part of the country (I forget exactly where) an 18 year old kid took a bunch of hits by .40 cal bullets. Many didn't penetrate more than a few inches. I don't know which hollow points law enforcement used, however....HST doesn't penetrate well? I'm going to call hooey on that statement! In the Lucky Gunner tests the 230 HST penetrated 14" while the +P version penetrated 14.9. Unless you're shooting an extremely fat person, those numbers will get the bullet well into the vitals. This is, by the way, about the average penetration depth for most of the premium self defense ammo.
Personally, I like to see more on the order of 16 - 18" of penetration, which my favorite bullets, the Lehigh Xtreme Defenders, achieve easily. But I don't live in any kind of city and I'm not in the least concerned with over penetration. My second favorite bullet, and my back up for the costly Lehigh ammo, are my hand loaded 45 ACP 185gr. Speer Gold Dots, which are definitely +P. Their penetration is not as much as the Xtreme Defender bullets but it's right up there with the best available...
I love Ranger ammo when you can find it. I shoot the 135grn hollow points in my 40 cal and they are awesome. They were in use by the Az. Border Patrol but I don't think they are available anymore. I buy all I can find on the internet. I have not tried any of their 45 or 9mm but I will when it becomes available again.Winchester Ranger +P 230gr has
been my choice for over twenty years
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If you get into a "firefight" you have already failed! 🤨Nice results, when they can be obtained. Remember that the mere fact of being in a fire fight will probably deteriorate your shooting skills. Hitting a face in the heat of battle may require more skill than is available, when bullets fly in both directions. Hitting a torso is more likely, though still no guarantee. The larger wound channel wrought by the large-bore projectiles will likely help counter-balance the effect of damaging tissues less immediately vital to survival.
I was on a sub once, a Diesel boat. I never saw so many pipes, valves and gauges in my life! Talk about claustrophobic! No thanks! Semper FiSpeer Gold Dot, 185 gr, or Federal HST, 230 gr. I just ordered some Winchester USA Ready Defense in 200 gr I want to try. Looks interesting.
I invariably look to being involved in a shooting, not a firefight.😎If you get into a "firefight" you have already failed! 🤨
Sorry, no sale. Sometimes, one can do everything possible to de-escalate a situation and leave without inviting attack, and the would-be aggressor is STILL intent on an exchange of projectiles. I've shot to defend myself or an innocent party 3 times in my life. In one of those incidents, the first inkling I had that I was in a fight for my life was a round passing by my head, launched from a position of concealment. Concealment did not help my opponent as much as he'd probably hoped.If you get into a "firefight" you have already failed! 🤨
Okay, call it what you want, but I stand by the use of the term "firefight", as a conflict (fight) involving an exchange of gunfire (from pistols, in most cases). They who wish to refer to such an event as a "shooting" are free to do so.I invariably look to being involved in a shooting, not a firefight.😎
God Bless the Great State of Missouri!Col. Jeff liked what worked best - at that time! Bullet technology has changed a whole lot since then and mostly for the better! The selection of bullets available today would probably not surprise most of the old timers but they simply wern't available to them then.
HST doesn't penetrate well? I'm going to call hooey on that statement! In the Lucky Gunner tests the 230 HST penetrated 14" while the +P version penetrated 14.9. Unless you're shooting an extremely fat person, those numbers will get the bullet well into the vitals. This is, by the way, about the average penetration depth for most of the premium self defense ammo.
Personally, I like to see more on the order of 16 - 18" of penetration, which my favorite bullets, the Lehigh Xtreme Defenders, achieve easily. But I don't live in any kind of city and I'm not in the least concerned with over penetration. My second favorite bullet, and my back up for the costly Lehigh ammo, are my hand loaded 45 ACP 185gr. Speer Gold Dots, which are definitely +P. Their penetration is not as much as the Xtreme Defender bullets but it's right up there with the best available.
And before anyone says anything about using hand loads for SD, #1., I live out in the boonies of Missouri where prosecution for using such ammo is pretty unlikely. #2., my ammo is better than anything you can buy. #3. If I ever get into my back up ammo, things have really gone down the toilet!
Factory ammo, once carefully inspected and chamber checked by the end user, is probably in the 99% reliability range, give or take a couple of tenths. My ammo is 100%. Period. End of story.
Cheers,
crkckr
True Statement I agree. However, why over pressurized the firearm when you do not need to . Unless you hunting large animals.BTW, +P or even +P+ will not wear out any quality firearm so quickly that you will notice the difference. It would take thousands of rounds that few can even afford, much less dedicate the time to!
Cheers,
crkckr
