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Britain deploys permanently armed police in London

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LONDON — Wielding submachine guns and pistols, British police are making rare armed patrols in crime-blighted London neighborhoods — a change in law enforcement tactics that may prompt calls for the wider use of weapons by the country's traditionally unarmed Bobbies.

London's police department said Friday that a new armed unit is carrying out regular sweeps of districts riven by gun battles between rival drug gangs.

Unlike typical police procedure, the team of about 20 officers actively seeks out criminals carrying or storing guns — rather than waiting to respond to emergency calls about incidents involving weapons.

Chief Inspector Neil Sharman said the unit began work in June to tackle pockets of rising gun crime, and will double in size from November amid concerns over the increasing use of weapons in Britain's capital.

In contrast to the United States and many European nations, British police have never routinely carried firearms on patrol, with only a limited number of specialist officers trained to use guns. Britain's Home Office said being unarmed is part of the "character of the police" in the U.K.

"In the past the police were authority figures dealing primarily with people who respected the police. However, as terrorism and crime increases in the U.K. the traditional icon of the Bobby on the beat is becoming incapable of dealing with terrorists and violent crime," said Bob Ayers, a London-based former U.S. intelligence officer.

The British public has traditionally been resistant to the routine arming of police — a skepticism heightened by the 2005 shooting death of an innocent Brazilian electrician, mistaken by police marksmen for a suicide bomber.

Yet, some argue Britain is now naive to believe that police can tackle rising levels of gun crime without weapons of their own.

"Every single police officer should have a gun," said Daniel Dixon, a 25-year-old engineer from central London. "Criminals might be carrying weapons, and the police officer is endangering himself by not having one."
 

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"Every single police officer should have a gun," said Daniel Dixon, a 25-year-old engineer from central London. "Criminals might be carrying weapons, and the police officer is endangering himself by not having one."
Um, wouldn't it be nice if all law abiding British subjects could not be endangering themselves by, I don't know, maybe arming themselves also. But I guess the sheep have been taught not to think of themselves as being able to provide self protection.
 

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Bs!!

That whole story has to be a fake.:biglaugh:
Criminals can't have guns. Good grief, it's against the LAW.:biglaugh::biglaugh:

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Um, wouldn't it be nice if all law abiding British subjects could not be endangering themselves by, I don't know, maybe arming themselves also. But I guess the sheep have been taught not to think of themselves as being able to provide self protection.
Few statements in this life are true 100% of the time.....this one is: Slaves do not own guns; free men do.
 

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Britain deploys permanently armed police in London

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXuIroP8-ehxxmXZCND2TU90_UYwD9BGQVV00

LONDON — Wielding submachine guns and pistols, British police are making rare armed patrols in crime-blighted London neighborhoods — a change in law enforcement tactics that may prompt calls for the wider use of weapons by the country's traditionally unarmed Bobbies.
Once again, gun-banners are inevitably faced with the natural consequences of their "fatally" flawed philosophy. It's like sheep being surprised that wolves prefer to hunt them down rather than attacking porcupines. Attention gun-banners: Predators prefer easy prey. Lions, tigers, and wolves are proof that defenseless animals are killed and eaten every day. Elephants, rhinos, and porcupines are proof that a strong self-defense keeps you alive.
"Every single police officer should have a gun," said Daniel Dixon, a 25-year-old engineer from central London. "Criminals might be carrying weapons, and the police officer is endangering himself by not having one."
Given that a government can NEVER hire enough police to protect every citizen, and given that every armed citizen acts as a force multiplier in self-defense of himself and others, and given that a citizen is by necessity always the first potential responder to a violent crime, a government can save both lives and money by allowing law-abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who carry weapons for exactly the same reason as arming the police. So the gun-banners' approach not only endangers more citizens, but also the police and also costs more. Gun-banner logic results in only downsides with no upsides.
 

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FWIW - there have been armed units in the British Police since at least the early 80's (although more directed at Terrorist than at gangs...so that is a new development)

The "typical" Bobby was not armed with anything more than a truncheon and whistle though at that time. Would love to see them all carrying, if not openly then at least under their tunics.
 

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FWIW - there have been armed units in the British Police since at least the early 80's (although more directed at Terrorist than at gangs...so that is a new development)

The "typical" Bobby was not armed with anything more than a truncheon and whistle though at that time. Would love to see them all carrying, if not openly then at least under their tunics.
Well deserved!!!:biglaugh::biglaugh:
 

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I like the old, ideal view. The police carried truncheons and whistles, the criminals didn't try to shoot the police because it was totally uncivilized to do so, and if the local bobby needed a gun, a citizen stepped forward and either loaned a firearm to the bobby, or the citizens held at gunpoint or shot the bastard who needed to be shot.

I don't know how close to reality it was, but I sure liked it.
 

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If living in Great Brittan, I'd protest against arming more police. With more police being armed it will delay a return to the individual's legal ability to bear arms. Increasing armed law enforcement will appear sound to politicians and possibly a large segment of society but it will not, as others have already posted, solve the problem. If, however, they resist the notion of more police being armed, it can force their government and the masses to consider relaxing some of their stringent and crime promoting gun control.

Of course, then there is the whole problem of a government possibly going tyrannical on their own people... if they allow more armed police and no balance for the people then they would be so screwed.


If people there support more police being armed then it will take just that much longer for a large number of citizens to realize just how important an armed citizenry is to a free society.
 

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The British public has traditionally been resistant to the routine arming of police — a skepticism heightened by the 2005 shooting death of an innocent Brazilian electrician, mistaken by police marksmen for a suicide bomber.
Good Lord, I just caught that quote! IIRC, the young man was shot at point blank range and officials tried desperately to cover it up. His family were pretty ticked off at the time and rightly so.
 

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I like the old, ideal view. The police carried truncheons and whistles, the criminals didn't try to shoot the police because it was totally uncivilized to do so, and if the local bobby needed a gun, a citizen stepped forward and either loaned a firearm to the bobby, or the citizens held at gunpoint or shot the bastard who needed to be shot.

I don't know how close to reality it was, but I sure liked it.
Well according to an article I read which pretty much shows the whole history of gun control in Britain, at the start of the 20th century, there was very little crime, especially the violent kind. During that time cops only carried weapons on special occasions (usually only a revolver) and civilians could buy and carry whatever they wanted from a Webley revolver to a Vickers machine gun and there was virtually nothing in the way of restrictions, except for the pistol permit which was simply a small on off tax thing which I believe could be purchased as the post office after which you could buy as many pistols as you want.

Now you've got the 21st century where the average boddy carries a Glock, a taser (I think), wears body armour and will sometimes be issued with Mp5 supermachine guns while civilians can't even legally defend themselves with an instruments lets alone guns and crime is at an all time high, especially gun crime
http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html

Of course if you tell this to an anti-gunner, they'll just say "oh well it's crime is less than America's" even though it's always being less than America's even when you had the same (virtually none) gun laws. Heck America's were probably stricter than Britain at one stage, I don't remember Britain having Saturday Night Special laws in the 19th century.
 

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The libreals running Britain have banned guns,kitchen knives, and now glass beer mugs in bars! Which shows how stupid the Gordon Brown types running Europe are when it comes to people defending thereself's in any way! Stupidty has no end unless the people stand up to it!
Sadly most of the once citizens now subjects may to far brainwashed to come back now!
The subjects of England for example are made to think the only duty is to keep the Queen and her family filthy rich and furnish them with Castles and armed body guards. Oh and dont forget pay outragous taxes.....


The good news for Europe is thanks to Fox news the subjects are getting to hear the real news. Not just what the BBC and Gordon Brown types want them to hear. Which Royaly pisses them off.

All I can say is Thank You Fox for the people of Europe and especialy the USA...........
 

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The libreals running Britain have banned guns,kitchen knives, and now glass beer mugs in bars! Which shows how stupid the Gordon Brown types running Europe are when it comes to people defending thereself's in any way! Stupidty has no end unless the people stand up to it! Sadly most of the once citizens now subjects are to far brainwashed to come back now!
Well they're trying to ban replica guns over there, check out this stupid ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7jr0S1frWM

This British guy does a pretty good rebuttal of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWeH8N30Hg8&feature=related


The funny thing is that replica guns are sometimes used in crime, but when they are used in crimes it can actually be a good thing as it greatly reduces the chances of any physical confrontation or violence since the victim is unlikely to start a fight however if they did, the criminal doesn't really have squat except for maybe something to pistol whip the victim, I'd much rather face someone with a replica pistol than a knife or any sort of tool.

On top of that with a replica gun the criminal is far less likely to bring a couple of friends to back them up so if the victim is more physically adept than the criminal, the criminal will get the crap kicked out of them.
 

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Would love to see them all carrying, if not openly then at least under their tunics.
NO! Not under their tunics. They should have to wear their guns in the open, so every citizen/sheeple who sees them will know the policy of unarmed defense for the utter failure that it is.
 

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NO! Not under their tunics. They should have to wear their guns in the open, so every citizen/sheeple who sees them will know the policy of unarmed defense for the utter failure that it is.
Hmmm...I do believe part of my sentence was "if not openly". Part of the problem we have is that we try to make everyone else in the world adopt to our sense and sensibilities...the "rude" Americans! Let's just face it - there are parts of the world where people will be offended by the open carrying of weapons (I've run into it many times here as a plainclothes LE officer) Can we "condition" people to accept the open carrying of firearms...sure - but it's not going to happen overnight (just like losing it didn't happen overnight)

I'd much rather they carry it concealed (yet people know they have it) than they not have one at all. In time hopefully people will again become conditioned to the open carrying of weapons...but in Great Britian that's been a long time (with the exception of special units...funny - they shy away at the thought of their local Bobby being armed but think nothing of squads of guys/ladies carrying MP5's around on the street! ???)
 

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In contrast to the United States and many European nations, British police have never routinely carried firearms on patrol, with only a limited number of specialist officers trained to use guns. Britain's Home Office said being unarmed is part of the "character of the police" in the U.K.
My sons are 7 and 9 yrs old and they have more firearms training than police in a western European country that is quickly becoming populated by extremists who refuse to integrate into society and wish the population harm.

That's just friggin' pathetic.
 

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...I'd much rather they carry it concealed (yet people know they have it) than they not have one at all. In time hopefully people will again become conditioned to the open carrying of weapons...
An interesting perspective. Although I've seen the following in other countries, I HATE seeing the following in my country: soldiers with rifles cruising the streets or airports of America, or tac'd out police in black BDUs, wrap shades, and other paramilitary stuff cradling MP5s or M4s. Viewing such ENFORCERS in my own country ticks me off.
 

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...western European country that is quickly becoming populated by extremists who refuse to integrate into society and wish the population harm.

That's just friggin' pathetic.
I have read many stories recently how the "religion of peace" has been holding mass protests openly stating that they will overthrow the west, will kill "non-believers" and establish a muslim state. There have been violent crimes perpetrated by these individuals as well as burning vehicles during "protests". They damned well better do something to curb this quick or else their empire will cease to exist. If they are smart, they will arm both citizen and police.
 
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