[combat auto]

When ANJRPC gets Murphy's new unconstitutional gun laws destroyed that solves the activist judge problem too...But I do hope in the mean time said judges are taken to court on an individual bases...Nappen/David has said this is in progress but it takes time.

WillBob, did Nappen give any update about suing over the "no car carry" issue in Monmouth and Ocean?

 

[Wildbob]

No. That will be part of Murphy's state wide ban in the news conference. They will file an injunction against the whole thing when it is official.

 

[Wildbob]

Something else that Nappen mentioned, and this applies to all states, is that there is a medical equivalent of a red flag law. Any medical person, doctor, nurse, orderly is obligated to report any gun owner who has even the slightest indication of violence. Just an off the cuff remark will trigger it if they are aware you are a gun owner. A silly comment could mean big trouble.

 

[INV136]

Admin moved the thread here and I approve that. Here's a few more things that Nappen touched on. Those restrictions also apply to people who had carry permits before Bruen. The new restrictions may also change how they do RPOs and security guards. Ocean County has added another judge to help with permit approval due to volume. He is applying no restrictions. Other judge is applying every restriction she can think of. Crap shoot who you get. All this may change after the noontime news conference. Bergen County still very bad. If a judge calls you in for a personal interview Nappen said you are better off withdrawing your application. They came up with a technical error in your application that you didn't know about or think about and will nail you for falsifying the app. Withdraw and reapply until things blow over. Bergen only so far. Pre 1968 anything without a serial number is a second degree felony. Flintlock, .22, anything. Covert guns are illegal in NJ. Those ones that look like credit cards or cell phones. Old time cane guns. One final thing, if you go to an out of state gun show ( Allentown, Oaks, for ex. ) Murphy has patrols in the parking lot looking for Jersey plates. They are stopping cars at the border or waiting at your house for you. I don't know what happens after that.

I knew that NJ gun laws were bad, but didn't realize they'd get this bad. I have a daughter and two grand kids that live in NJ because her husband has a job there. She asked me to go there to visit them and I refused because of the BS gun laws they have there. She cajoled me and got pissed off to the point that I relented and agreed to visit, just once and never again. I debated with myself whether to carry my EDC pistol. I have a LEOSA permit so I can carry in all 50 states, but, I decided that if I did and had to defend myself and killed a thug up there that I would end up in one of their prisons. I hate NJ and wouldn't want to end up in prison there. So, I decided that I'd rather be carried by 6 than tried by 12 in that crap state. I left my gun at home. The funny thing is that my father was born there and I have relatives still living there. He's dead now and so are his brothers, they died over 25 years ago. I don't think he and they would like the way that state has degenerated if he and they were still alive today.

 

[7.62Kolectr]

That is true, but that is how it is done in what's left of the America we grew up in...The alternative is to do something foolish like march on Murphy's capital peacefully protesting and carrying with no carry permits. Murphy will just love that, he can lock-up all the gun owners there in one batch, charge them with felonies and after they are convicted they can never have a gun ANYWHERE in the USA!!

Nope, not a good way to go...Yep, we have to do the dance, and lets not loose sight of how far we have come, many counties are issuing unrestricted permits 100% - viola!...Some counties restricted permits - that is still a swag of 50% more than we had as far as what is legal here.

We have come a long way Baby in just a few months...We will get much further there after we strike down most of Murphy's new restrictions...And yea, lefty will make another attempt, but it be weaker the next time, and the time after, ad infinitum, until it becomes virtually meaningless.

On this I’d just say the old adage is true, there’s safety in numbers.
If 10,000, 100,000 or a million people showed up they couldn’t arrest them all. And most likely they wouldn’t know what to do.
This comes from a Floridian who’s sorry people in other states still have to go thru things like this.

 

[earlwb]

When the Dems ignore the SCOTUS and other courts then the country is in serious trouble. In the past elected officials were more or less immune from prosecution. About all that can be done is to induce them to resign, a recall, or impeachment. But when their rabid followers still support them, you can't get rid of them.

 

[combat auto]

Nappen said they will split the approvals. I used to be on NJGF about 12 or so years ago. I got off it because they were spreading rumor as fact. I don't see much of that on this site. That's why I signed up.

Pretty amazing, it is crazy enough that there are big differences btwn counties, but in Ocean, there is big differences btwn the 2 Judges issuing permits...1/2 of us will have restriction and the other half not (except the ones already in law). That is going to be interesting when a permit holder is stopped for one reason or other.

 

[SdAufKla]

Jeeze... I wish you guys luck and am glad that you're still fighting the "good fight." I can't imagine living in such a place, though. Still, you're on the front lines for all the rest of us, and I appreciate that. Hopefully as long as you're resisting there the true anti-2A fiends will remain there, too, and stay the heck out of my state.

Good luck and God bless, you all!

 

[Wildbob]

​

URGENT: NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY​

Please Immediately Contact All Legislators!​

October 13, 2022. At a press conference today, legislative leaders in the New Jersey state house announced plans to attack and destroy right to carry, in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent Bruen decision upholding right to carry and making it impossible for states like New Jersey to continue blocking issuance of carry permits. Although text of proposed legislation was not available when this alert was prepared, legislative leaders described its features, and it sounds strangely similar to (if not worse than) New York’s anti-carry law passed this summer, which was recently stopped in its tracks by an injunction issued by the usually-anti-gun federal district court there. According to lawmakers, they plan to: -Ban carry in common public places by labeling them as “sensitive places” (plainly forbidden by Bruen) -Ban carry inside one’s own car (plainly forbidden by Bruen); -Ban carry on commercial and private property, unless the property owner posts notices allowing it (plainly unconstitutional); -Massively increase fees for permits (plainly forbidden by Bruen, and discriminates against low-income citizens); -Mandate special insurance (which may not even be available) as a pre-condition to exercise constitutional rights (plainly unconstitutional); -Mandate a new, unusual training requirement (beyond the already-difficult one that has existed for decades) – raises serious constitutional questions. “These attacks by New Jersey lawmakers are a big middle finger to the U.S Supreme Court,” said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. “These lawmakers have no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law – they focus on attacking citizens’ rights while setting violent criminals free. We look forward to overturning these measures in court and forcing the state to pay our legal fees.”​

 

[combat auto]

I say great, lets get this over with now...Lefty will be sorry they ever proposed these, they will fail in the courts just fortifying the SC ruling EVEN more...They are almost laughingly PRPOSTUROUS, I can probably beat them in court and the only Lawyer training I have is from a home study course .

URGENT: NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY Please Immediately Contact All Legislators!

 

[Wildbob]

Another thing Nappen mentioned. You can't carry a loaded rifle even though you have a carry permit. Practice and hunting are not affected.

 

[Plantar5]

I had the local news on earlier looking for the conference. It wasn’t televised from what I could tell. This governor hasn’t had an original thought with anything. It would seem he’s just trying to go Hochal in NY one better in his attempt to ignore and trample our rights.
It would seem to me, the one’s that need more training in the BOR/Constitution is the governor and the respective judges.

 

[Wildbob]

I had the local news on earlier looking for the conference. It wasn’t televised from what I could tell. This governor hasn’t had an original thought with anything. It would seem he’s just trying to go Hochal in NY one better in his attempt to ignore and trample our rights.
It would seem to me, the one’s that need more training in the BOR/Constitution is the governor and the respective judges.

Exactly what Nappen said. He has to one up the worst to be the worst.

 

[combat auto]

My letter is done and sent to the NJ Legislators per ANJRP's instructions.

It feels really good to be part of the effort to defeat 2A tyranny in NJ. A tyranny which has been here for over 100 years...We can all tell our stories to our Grand Kid's on how we supported freedom, a freedom, God willing, that they will have much longer than we did in our life times in NJ.

 

[Plantar5]

FWIW, I got a copy of the county resolution from yesterday in Warren county, which went on record regarding the issuing of carry licenses. The below was in all capital letters.

RESOLUTION URGING THE SUPERIOR COURTS OF NEW JERSEY TO SET FORTH POLICY FOR SUPERIOR COURT JUDGES TO PROCESS PUBLIC-CARRY FIREARM PERMITS

Where did Murphy speak and who did he speak to? Whatever he did, got no air time. Seems a bit sneaky and/or he’s getting some pushback (hopefully).

 

[Wildbob]

I was waiting to hear, too. I can't find text on it either. Maybe he didn't do it. I'll keep checking the ANJRPC site.

 

[Wildbob]

I found it. It wasn't Murphy. Page 2 to follow.

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — New Jersey lawmakers unveiled new legislation Thursday to rewrite the state's firearm carry laws after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June expanding gun rights.
Democratic Assembly Speaker Craig Coughlin and Senate President Nicholas Scutari, surrounded by other lawmakers and red T-shirt-clad Moms Demand Action supporters, said the new measure will bar permit holders from carrying in schools, polling places, bars, restaurants, theaters, sports arenas, airports, casinos and child care facilities.
It also sets up a new requirement that permit holders carry insurance to protect against accidental discharge, coverage that Scutari said is already available in insurance marketplaces. The bill increases permitting, though the exact amount wasn't immediately clear. The funds will be put toward compensation for crime victims under the legislation.
The measure also calls for permit holders to undergo gun safety training and would set up a vetting process that requires non-family references to vouch for applicants. It would disqualify applicants with past violations of restraining orders and other “character of temperament” concerns, though just how those issues would be defined wasn't immediately clear.
The lawmakers said they looked to New York's recent carry law, though a federal court said recently that parts of the law were unconstitutional.
“I’m a gun owner. I enjoy my guns often, but I enjoyed the right to have those guns and to use them responsibly,” Democratic Assembly member and bill sponsor Joe Danielsen said. “This bill provides zero conflict.”
Coughlin said the bill tries to prevent gun tragedies while abiding by the Supreme Court's decision. Scutari echoed that idea, saying the measure struck a balance that permits “constitutionally allowable gun carrying, but not just anywhere you want it to be.”

 

[Wildbob]

Page 2.

The state's National Rifle Association affiliate said in a statement that the New Jersey proposal too closely resembled New York's.
“These attacks by New Jersey lawmakers are a big middle finger to the U.S Supreme Court,” said Scott Bach, the director of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs. "We look forward to overturning these measures in court and forcing the state to pay our legal fees.”
The high court's decision struck down a New York law requiring people to demonstrate a particular need for carrying a gun to get a license to carry a gun in a concealed way publicly. New Jersey, California, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts and Rhode Island all had similar laws.
New Jersey lawmakers had acknowledged after the ruling that the state would likely have to update its laws. Thursday's announcement was an early step in that direction. The bills are expected to get a vote in the Assembly later this month. A timeline in the Senate is not clear, Scutari said.
Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy worked with lawmakers on drafting the legislation and looks forward to signing the bill, spokesperson Alyana Alfaro said in an emailed statement.
“By working together, we can take commonsense steps to keep the public safe from gun violence,” she said.
Murphy has been a major backer of tighter gun laws and has signed a number of gun rights restrictions, including legislation authorizing the state attorney general to use public nuisance laws to bring suits against gun makers.

 

[Wildbob]

The article didn't mention not in vehicles. Either they left it out or the legislators didn't include it.

 

[Plantar5]

Thanks Wildbob. As expected, they think and claim to be writing “common sense “ gun laws when it couldn’t be farther from the truth. Their list of ‘no carry’ places makes ALL people less safe. Who the heck are “red T shirt” moms, and what do they know about safe possession and carrying of firearms? Do these ‘red t shirt moms’ support full term abortion too As does Murphy? Where’s their concern for children on that? Where’s the data to support any of their NY copy cat unconstitutional proposals. There’s NO DATA in NJ to suggest their suggestions are either reasonable or necessary.

Why weren’t the gun owners invited? (Rhetorical of course).

I never heard of the legislators, but Danielson’s claim that “he enjoys his guns”, and there’s “no conflict” obviously hasn’t a clue. And he was in the Army?? As what? New Jersey citizens don’t need another insurance premium to pay either. It’s redundant, unnecessary and abusively discriminatory toward gun owners. If someone causes an injury/harm to another person, there’s more than enough methods to litigate for damages. Every single proposal mentioned further demonstrates how none of them either read or comprehend The Bruen decision. Perhaps, they need to go back and read it.