[Wildbob]

I couldn't figure that either. I have never said or thought "I enjoy my guns". He must be the only Democrat in state government that they could find who has a gun. This "character of temperament" is the ambiguous kind of thing that Bergen County is using to deny applicants.

 

[Plantar5]

I was thinking he is just a FUDD. Scutari seems to have a phobia with insurance. When I looked at his record, the bills he’s supported were predominantly tied to insurance. ( I smell kickbacks). Btw, last time i checked criminals and illegals don’t buy insurance. The whole mom’s demand action website tries to sound and claims to be data driven. But, unfortunately for them, they too are constitutionally ignorant. Their own data map which lists the different shootings nationally; DOES NOT LIST ONE INCIDENT IN NJ. These are the people we are supposed to trust our 2A rights too??? I don’t think so.

 

[combat auto]

Please Keep Contacting Legislators!

October 14, 2022. On Monday, October 17 at 10:00 a.m., the New Jerey Assembly Judiciary Committee is scheduled to consider A4769 – legislation designed to do an end-run around the U.S. Supreme Court’s ground-breaking Bruen decision and destroy right to carry in the Garden State, among many other things. Listen to the hearing by clicking here at 10 a.m. on Monday, October 17. Find Assembly Judiciary Committee and click to listen. Among many other things, this legislation would impermissibly: -Ban carry in common public places by labeling them as “sensitive places.” Includes parks, beaches, restaurants, theaters, stadiums, arenas, and many other common public places.; -Ban carry inside one’s own car; -Bans carry at public gatherings; -Ban carry on all private property automatically, unless the property owner specifically posts notices specifically allowing it; -Significantly increase fees for purchaser credentials and carry permits, discriminating against low-income citizens; -Mandate liability insurance (which may not even be available) as a pre-condition to exercising carry rights; -Mandate a new training requirement beyond the already-difficult one that has existed for many decades; -Allow towns and cities to invent their own unique and inconsistent rules banning carry; -Limit carry to holster-only, with retention strap (no purses, fanny packs, briefcases, standard holsters without strap, or other recognized modes of on-body or off-body carry); -Use prior speech (like online posts) as a basis to deny purchase and carry credentials; -Allow denial of credentials based on purely subjective factors like someone’s “character” or “temperament.” PLEASE IMMEDIATELY CLICK HERE TO CONTACT EVERY NJ LEGISLATOR. Tell them to PLEASE VOTE NO ON A4769 /S3214 ATTACKING RIGHT TO CARRY IN VIOLATION OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT’S BRUEN DECISION. THE SUPREME COURT HAS SPOKEN, AND RIGHT TO CARRY MAY NO LONGER BE DISRUPTED OR INFRINGED BY STATE LEGISLATURES OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. ALSO, MICRO-MANAGING METHODS OF CARRY, AND DENYING PERMITS BASED ON PRIOR SPEECH AND “CHARACTER,” ARE ILL-CONCEIVED AND UNLAWFUL.

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[Wildbob]

They added car. Holster strap just tells you they have no idea about safe gun handling. Looks like you can't have it loaded at all inside your vehicle. The hijacker lobby must be stronger than I thought.

 

[Plantar5]

Less than 24hrs after he makes this statement (Not that I believed it)….It’s just laughable how deranged and reckless these legislators and Murphy ( of course) are with citizens lives. EvRey one of their limitations either endangers people or isn’t realistic, necessary or feasible.

“I’m a gun owner. I enjoy my guns often, but I enjoyed the right to have those guns and to use them responsibly,” Democratic Assembly member and bill sponsor Joe Danielsen said. “This bill provides zero conflict.”

 

[Crab Boy]

We can and on and on, but it boils down to is Democrat = Marxist/Communist/Socialist. And that's it in a nutshell.

 

[Wildbob]

That extensive training requirement might be the worst one in there. If you go before a liberal judge after a defensive shooting all your lawyer's objections will be over ruled. The prosecutor will, by definition, prosecute in front of a jury that has only Hollywood knowledge about guns. "He had extensive training. He could have delivered a "flesh wound" but he shot to kill and as a result, a loving family was placed in unnecessary grief on what should have been a pleasant family day".

 

[Wildbob]

c. Statistics show that expanding handgun carrying creates safety risks, helping to fuel the epidemic of gun violence. For example, a study by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health found that the estimated average rate of officer-involved shootings increased by 12.9 percent in ten states that relaxed restrictions between 2014 and 2020 on civilians carrying concealed firearms in public.

But it doesn't say that those civilians were carrying permitted and legal. Twisted statistic to fit their narritive.

BTW, Nappen mentioned that this permitting gives a judge executive powers. That may be unconstitutional.

 

[combat auto]

3 comments:
Yea, the amazing thing about the Lefty is they can say this **** (about enjoying shooting and the BS after it) with a straight face in public. LOL

The X-training will be "interesting". If it is Use of Force training (more of it) I am ok with it...If it is more quals like every 6 months that will be unfortunate. And if they start specifying what the individual qual needs to be (beyond what is coded now, ie,:show safe handling with a gun) that would be BS also.

But rest assured there are people in our own gun community in NJ who would just LOVE to sell more frequent quals and more courses to us...Crap, my range is charging $100 a gun. I would'nt us them unless they were the only game in town...100$ a gun every 6 months forever by thousands of shooters would put a BIG smile on their face - early retirement ;-).

At any rate, I sent one e-mail today and one yesterday to both the NJ "Ass." and Senate, this is what ANJRPC asked us to do...Did you guys send yours yet?

 

[mkk41]

I wonder if NJ will pass a similar law before one tries to exercise their Constitutional Right to vote?

The bill would also require prospective gun owners to take an “online course of instruction, in-person classroom instruction, and target training administered by a certified firearm instructor” in order to obtain a carry permit for a pistol, as well as provide their social media history to local police for review.

New Jersey Poised To Pass Major New Gun Restrictions (msn.com)

 

[Wildbob]

Did you guys send yours yet? Yep.

I wonder if this passes and is signed into law and the injunction is filed, will they stop issuing everything pending outcome. Probably so. Anything to delay the inevitable.

 

[Wildbob]

I wonder if NJ will pass a similar law before one tries to exercise their Constitutional Right to vote?



New Jersey Poised To Pass Major New Gun Restrictions (msn.com)

In that MSN article instead of "sensitive areas", they used "regions". I think they need training and character references before they get a 1A right. Also wait 30 days between publishing news articles.

 

[Plantar5]

Just sent this to all 115 legislators. Feel free to plagiarize,add, modify.



Dear Sirs/Madams:

Disregarding and circumventing Bruen and our Supreme Court will put more innocent lives at risk in New Jersey.

Our Second Amendment is NOT A Second Class right, to be subjected to random and meaningless unreasonable separate set of rules. Criminals and people with psychological challenges do not follow any laws regarding any type of violence, gun related or not.

This new proposed law blocks law abiding, tax paying gun owners from protecting themselves and their families. Statistics show law abiding gun owners prevent crimes and potential worse shootings and injuries to innocent people. This proposed new law will also prevent and discriminate against those who may not have the financial means to comply with a meaningless list of unnecessary requirements.
New Jersey has had NO mass shootings, according to ‘Moms demand Action” website.
New Jersey has gun related incidents committed by people who disregard ALL laws. The authors of this new law are making innocent, law abiding people sitting ducks for criminals. This new proposed law goes directly against and is inconsistent with the Bill Of Rights and The Bruen decision. Making false claims that this new proposed law will make New Jersey safer is flat out untrue and demonstrates a lack of concern for your respective constituents.

Kindly VOTE NO, to A4769
Respectfully,

 

[earlwb]

Didn’t New York and New Jersey pretty much ban insurance for guns as “Murder Insurance” or some such non-sense. It is what got the NY AG to go after the NRA because they started a insurance program up for helping those involved in a self defense incident. So it makes it a puzzle as to how you can get insurance if they have prohibited it.

 

[Wildbob]

NJ just pretty much mirrored what NY got smacked down for doing knowing an injunction will come down. Just a stall tactic to make their supporters feel good.

 

[Fatboy46]

Went to the latest Nappen seminar tonight. Official title of it was, "Supreme Court, NYSRPA v. Bruen: How It Impacts Your State's Gun Laws". I'll give you the bad news first. NJ is bent on taking liberties with the most extreme gun laws in the nation. Some state goes off the deep end, Murphy thinks it's his job to top it. So tomorrow, Thursday, October 13 he will hold a news conference at noon to expand carry restrictions. Details are not fully available yet. ANJRPC will have them on their site later in the day. Here's what I have:

More "sensitive" places.
No carry on property you don't own without the property owner's expressed permission. Private or commercial.
Changes to application process.
Hefty, and I mean really hefty, fee increase.
Insurance and proof of insurance.
No carry in a vehicle.
Training requirements increased.

That's all I know right now about that. There will be immediate legal challenges as soon as these are inacted. Justice Thomas in his majority opinion called 2A restrictions civil rights violations. That's a federal crime. Government individuals can be held responsible for civil rights violations. Even judges. That's all about that until the news conference. They are trying to create obstacles to nullify Bruen. There are other things that came up. I'll post them later. Let this soak in.

New Jersey citizens are getting all the representation and government they deserve. Elections have consequences. Remember in November.

 

[cadillacmike]

Where is our Attorney General on all this?

He's a committed anti 2A jacka$$.
It's a sad consequence of the NJ governor's election outcome from last fall.....

 

[Wildbob]

I just skimmed over the state constitution. I don't have any other state to compare it to but this is an amateur effort. It reads more like by-laws than a constitution. Like something kids would make up in a back yard tree house. Can trace all these shortcomings to when this was approved.

 

[Plantar5]

I just skimmed over the state constitution. I don't have any other state to compare it to but this is an amateur effort. It reads more like by-laws than a constitution. Like something kids would make up in a back yard tree house. Can trace all these shortcomings to when this was approved.

I looked it over also.

Actually, Article 1 under Rights and Privileges states,

“ 1. All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.”

Works for me. It may not be a specific 2A as some other states may include, but it would appear to include it.

 

[Wildbob]

The part that got me was that the state thinks it's their job to protect you. Supreme Court says that's not right. It's your job to protect you. That's why there is a 2A.