Bruen and New Jersey

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Wildbob

Discussion Starter · 8 mo ago

Went to the latest Nappen seminar tonight. Official title of it was, "Supreme Court, NYSRPA v. Bruen: How It Impacts Your State's Gun Laws". I'll give you the bad news first. NJ is bent on taking liberties with the most extreme gun laws in the nation. Some state goes off the deep end, Murphy thinks it's his job to top it. So tomorrow, Thursday, October 13 he will hold a news conference at noon to expand carry restrictions. Details are not fully available yet. ANJRPC will have them on their site later in the day. Here's what I have:

More "sensitive" places.
No carry on property you don't own without the property owner's expressed permission. Private or commercial.
Changes to application process.
Hefty, and I mean really hefty, fee increase.
Insurance and proof of insurance.
No carry in a vehicle.
Training requirements increased.

That's all I know right now about that. There will be immediate legal challenges as soon as these are inacted. Justice Thomas in his majority opinion called 2A restrictions civil rights violations. That's a federal crime. Government individuals can be held responsible for civil rights violations. Even judges. That's all about that until the news conference. They are trying to create obstacles to nullify Bruen. There are other things that came up. I'll post them later. Let this soak in.

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Plantar5

· #741 · 3 mo ago

Wildbob said:
NJ THROWS KITCHEN SINK AT
ANJRPC CARRY LAWSUIT IN
ATTEMPT TO END INJUNCTION

February 14, 2023. In a desperate effort to end the injunction currently blocking the carry-killer law, the State of New Jersey yesterday filed a flurry of papers opposing continued suspension of the law for the duration of the case and opposing the imposition of a new injunction on additional unconstitutional provisions of the law. A great deal of those papers make legally irrelevant arguments that are precluded by both the Bruen and Heller decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court. The arguments that are not legally irrelevant are a stretch and represent an uphill fight for the state.

CLICK HERE and select the various items under entry 15 to see the documents filed by the State.

The New Jersey legislature has also filed papers opposing continued suspension of the carry-killer law for the duration of the case and opposing the imposition of a new injunction on additional unconstitutional provisions of the law. Click the link above and select item 16 to see those papers.

ANJRPC's responses to both sets of papers are due on February 24. Please watch for further updates and alerts as the case progresses.

“Kitchen sink” is right…Talk about wasting more of our NJ tax dollars.
I read through some of them and what I read was mostly ‘theoretical scenarios’.
The insurance item, theoretically says we would be covered by a homeowners/auto policy.
As you say, I don’t see how any of these override Bruen, etc. We’ll see how judge Bumb sees it.
At least that’s how I interpreted it.

Plantar5

· #742 · 3 mo ago

Item 16 seems to be more of a second bite at the apple, most of which has already been denied in the prior hearings.

One would (incorrectly) think, by reading the states papers that the Heller and Bruen decisions were written and decided by a bunch of grammar school kids.

Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #743 · 3 mo ago

Plantar5 said:
That’s an easy one. As far as I’m concerned the casinos can all shut down and be demolished. They never did what they were supposed to for NJ (provide tax relief).

And they only revitalized Atlantic City in their locations.

Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #744 · 3 mo ago

The state is trying to stave off defeat by throwing massive paperwork at it. More work for Dan. He's on the meter. State will get the bill then maybe the voters will come to their senses. Dan has ten days to issue a response. Everything on those state responses is counter to what Bumb already ruled.

1911_Kid

· #745 · 3 mo ago (Edited)

Plantar5 said:
That’s an easy one. As far as I’m concerned the casinos can all shut down and be demolished. They never did what they were supposed to for NJ (provide tax relief).

Fight the casino issue from another angle. The laws need to reflect the following:

If the establishment is "open to the public", and such establishment wishes to post "no-guns" notices (allowed by law), then such establishment shall assume safety controls by staffing with armed security personnel subject to the rules of "armed security staffing" as defined by County business rules/ordinances.

The rules would be something like "one armed employee per 100 patrons allowed under the local fire marshall. Such employee shall be on-duty while establishment is open. Such employee may be employee of establishment and/or employee of a State accredidated for-hire service".

Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #746 · 3 mo ago

I'm secretly hoping Bumb rules the state AG, Assembly and Senate in contempt of court for this "kitchen sink" ploy.

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combat auto

· #747 · 3 mo ago

I'm a "Made-Man" as of this morning, got my Carry Permit in hand....Amazing, they said it would never happen, yet it did. Never give up!

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Grandpas50AE

· #748 · 3 mo ago

Congrats ca!

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Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #749 · 3 mo ago

combat auto said:
I'm a "Made-Man" as of this morning, got my Carry Permit in hand....Amazing, they said it would never happen, yet it did. Never give up!

Alright, CA!

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combat auto

· #750 · 3 mo ago

Thanks my Friends! It is a good feeling after all this time.

Hey, I have Dan's chart AARP put out a while back showing what has been blocked vs not blocked as far as the restrictions, in fact when i picked up the permit the Nice Laddy at the front desk said the cops heads are spinning they have little clue what is in the law vs out at this point so I sent Kim the link.

But as far as having to inform a cop we are carrying if I am stopped in my car, do we have the duty to inform at this time? (it is not shown either way in Dan's chart).

Thanks
CA

Grandpas50AE

· #751 · 3 mo ago

combat auto said:
Thanks my Friends! It is a good feeling after all this time.

Hey, I have Dan's chart AARP put out a while back showing what has been blocked vs not blocked as far as the restrictions, in fact when i picked up the permit the Nice Laddy at the front desk said the cops heads are spinning they have little clue what is in the law vs out at this point so I sent Kim the link.

But as far as having to inform a cop we are carrying if I am stopped in my car, do we have the duty to inform at this time? (it is not shown either way in Dan's chart).

Thanks
CA

Why not ask ANJRPC, they (if anyone) should know.

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Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #752 · 3 mo ago

CA, did yours have restrictions or list guns you can carry? Still by the judge or just PD?

combat auto

· #753 · 3 mo ago

Wildbob said:
CA, did yours have restrictions or list guns you can carry? Still by the judge or just PD?

Nope "No restrictions" shown...They list the 3 guns I qualified with, but even the nice Lady at the front desk knew that we can carry any gun we own, she actually brought it up, I didn't.

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Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #754 · 3 mo ago

combat auto said:
Nope "No restrictions" shown...They list the 3 guns I qualified with, but even the nice Lady at the front desk knew that we can carry any gun we own, she actually brought it up, I didn't.

Oh, good. That's how I thought it would be.

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Plantar5

· #755 · 3 mo ago

Congrats ca. Welcome to the ‘club’…lol.
Did a judge sign off or your PD chief? A guy in Morris I spoke to the other day said it was coming in the next week or so and was going to be the PD chief. It’s going to be interesting to see how that transition takes place. Supposedly, PDchiefs aren’t thrilled with it.

To answer your earlier question is, Yes, you have a duty to inform LE if stopped.

combat auto

· #756 · 3 mo ago

Plantar5 said:
Congrats ca. Welcome to the ‘club’…lol.
Did a judge sign off or your PD chief? A guy in Morris I spoke to the other day said it was coming in the next week or so and was going to be the PD chief. It’s going to be interesting to see how that transition takes place. Supposedly, PDchiefs aren’t thrilled with it.

To answer your earlier question is, Yes, you have a duty to inform LE if stopped.

Thanks Plant', the Judged signed off because I was in the long Q the old process created...Sometime late last year they started having the Chief sign off as the end point. Only think "good" the left's did in 200 years. lol

Plantar5

· #757 · 3 mo ago (Edited)

Here’s GFH podcast #613. Anthony giving his ‘horses azz’ award to PD chiefs for delaying people’s FID and carry permits. There’s also an excellent history lesson by Jay Factor that precedes our BORs that goes right to the states claim to limiting us. “The right of conscience” gets a little tedious by Factor but is worth the listen.

https://gunforhire.com/blog/the-gun-for-hire-radio-broadcast-episode-613/

Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #758 · 3 mo ago

Nappen 121 is up. READ IT FROM START TO FINISH. Ammo purchase registration required. Carry insurance, Murphy's "Murder Insurance" discussed and what to do if you are stopped.

gun.lawyer

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Plantar5

· #759 · 3 mo ago

I said this months ago regarding getting stopped. If a person has an FID and No PTC there’s no duty to inform (Which is fine). But when you have a PTC, even if your firearms are cased and unloaded, and now that you’ve been through a more intense vetting process; you must inform LE. (Makes no sense). But none of it does.
Someday, maybe,….nah, none of this will ever get sorted out.
Like Anthony says, “They hate us”.

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Wildbob

Discussion Starter · #760 · 3 mo ago

"Makes no sense" is right.

That GFH was very informative. Foremost was that the ask permission to enter private property armed was for hunting, not personal defense in the colonial times. Also cites the NJ arguments that they use for Bumb's court are from British v colonies that will not hold up. Personal defense was always paramount and still is.

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