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Went to the latest Nappen seminar tonight. Official title of it was, "Supreme Court, NYSRPA v. Bruen: How It Impacts Your State's Gun Laws". I'll give you the bad news first. NJ is bent on taking liberties with the most extreme gun laws in the nation. Some state goes off the deep end, Murphy thinks it's his job to top it. So tomorrow, Thursday, October 13 he will hold a news conference at noon to expand carry restrictions. Details are not fully available yet. ANJRPC will have them on their site later in the day. Here's what I have:

More "sensitive" places.
No carry on property you don't own without the property owner's expressed permission. Private or commercial.
Changes to application process.
Hefty, and I mean really hefty, fee increase.
Insurance and proof of insurance.
No carry in a vehicle.
Training requirements increased.

That's all I know right now about that. There will be immediate legal challenges as soon as these are inacted. Justice Thomas in his majority opinion called 2A restrictions civil rights violations. That's a federal crime. Government individuals can be held responsible for civil rights violations. Even judges. That's all about that until the news conference. They are trying to create obstacles to nullify Bruen. There are other things that came up. I'll post them later. Let this soak in.
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Wildbob, After listening to it, you really ‘get’ not only why the founders wrote the 2A into our BORs but reinforces the meaning of ‘militia’ (citizens) , ’bear arms’ (not a hunting rifle), ‘shall not be infringed’ (by our government). They are not ambiguous at all. I know some people will claim they knew it, but Factor really found the historical proof imho. The irony that here in NJ, where it all started is pretty sad.
We can only hope that judge Bumb gets the message and tosses all of the states 100+ pages of lame excuses.
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And historically they required you to carry a pistol on you to defend yourselves and specifically mentioned on the highway.
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I always wonder why NJ didn’t write 2A into their state constitution the way Pa. did.
Same neighborhood, so to speak…;)
We wouldn’t be going through this bs.
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I was told by an assemblyman that it was because the federal constitution already had it and they thought it took precedent. Still don't know why it doesn't.
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Think I heard that also now that you say it. Well, credit Pa authors who were ahead of the curve by not taking any chances with the feds.
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Wildbob said:
Nappen 121 is up. READ IT FROM START TO FINISH. Ammo purchase registration required. Carry insurance, Murphy's "Murder Insurance" discussed and what to do if you are stopped.

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Can you add some clarity to these types of postings.

Are you saying 121 discusses ammo purchase registration, or are you saying that part "ammo purchase registration required" was allowed to stick by the judge? Same goes for the murder insurance.
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1911_Kid said:
Can you add some clarity to these types of postings.

Are you saying 121 discusses ammo purchase registration, or are you saying that part "ammo purchase registration required" was allowed to stick by the judge? Same goes for the murder insurance.
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"Murder Insurance" is Murphy's term for the carry insurance in the TRO bill.
Ammo purchase is not part of the TRO stuff. It is a separate law that just took affect. Quantity and caliber/gauge is electronically input against your FPID by the dealer. Over 2000 rounds at once and the dealer immediately calls State Police. Word on the street is they are trying to get people to buy out of state to drive the dealers out of business.
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Although I don't like it, the on-line retailers already have a lot of the ammo purchase info on you...Look at your purchased history on SGAMMMO for example...They can make it available to NJ on request pretty easily...Will they still want to sell into NJ, who knows, so far they look like they still are doing so. Might not ne a bad time to stock up though now...

I haven't purchased ammo at a NJ gun or any other store since 2012, literally, just no point in it to me, better price and selection on-line. But if the SG's of the country say screw NJ that will change.
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On the carry insurance, it might turn out to be a good thing if no company can insure such a thing, just that much easier to prove the law is unconstitutional.
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The indoor ranges were recording ammo purchases 6-7 years ago. But, I didn’t ever buy in bulk from them because of their prices. Some local LGS’s had some good deals within the last few months. We’ve all used online purchasing while it was good. If you didn’t stock up or begin to reload before the shortages, that’s on you. I did both…;). I’ve probably bought more precision rimfire online now just because the LGS’s don’t carry Lapua and Elie. A local LGS just closed up, but for more personal reasons I think In addition to what’s going on.
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Wildbob said:
"Murder Insurance" is Murphy's term for the carry insurance in the TRO bill.
Ammo purchase is not part of the TRO stuff. It is a separate law that just took affect. Quantity and caliber/gauge is electronically input against your FPID by the dealer. Over 2000 rounds at once and the dealer immediately calls State Police. Word on the street is they are trying to get people to buy out of state to drive the dealers out of business.
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I do think it strange, that the whole ’murder insurance’ issue didn’t get tossed out or at least included in the TROs issued. As we know, not only it doesn’t exist, but our libtard in chief passed a law expressly forbidding it. I smell yet another hypocritical law coming…(n).

As far as the ammo monitoring goes; the law mandates everyone is proficient and for the moment qualifies with anything they intend on carrying. Qualifying, re-qualifying, training?? How does anyone do that without ammunition?

Maybe they should scrap the whole qualifying piece or just follow the statute already on the books, 2C:58-4. Allowing anyone to carry what they legally own.
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Neither one of our podcasters think that the insurance mandate will hold up. As for the ammo registration, it is brand new so we'll see.
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The insurance doesn't kick in until July so they put it on the back burner while they fight the immediate issues.
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I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the butt.
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I'm looking around to see if anywhere else mandates any kind of gun insurance. Only thing I came up with is a city law in San Jose CA. Here's the response to it.

Most acts of gun violence involve criminal or intentionally wrongful acts, which California law prohibits insurance companies from covering. Importantly, this would exclude coverage not just for homicide and assault, but also for gun suicides, which comprise 60% of all gun deaths.

Same thing in NJ. No insurance company provides that coverage and NJ prohibits the same insurance that it wants to require. I'll keep looking around but as of now I find more places with permitless carry than I do with regulated carry.
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I applaud your research WB… you need a direct line to Schmutter et al…(y)
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I see challenges to that law but I don't see evidence of it being overturned. An appeal was dismissed by an appeals court and I can't find any follow up.
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Today's the deadline for Dan's response to the "Kitchen Sink".
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Might have been extended because of this:
Brady Amicus Brief Opposing Preliminary Injunction
The Brady group in DC got in on the act. The whole thing is about the insurance.
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Should be interesting to see how the judge handles it. Just what we need more ambulance chasers and more insurance premiums; where just the lawyers and insurance companies get wealthier…:(

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I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the butt.
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OUCH!!
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