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I did a survey of some of the most experienced shooters/trainers I personally know and here is the question I asked them all.

Assuming you had to buy your own pistol and ammunition (type of your choice) for combined self-defense and self-defense range training use, which caliber would you choose, 9x19mm Parabellum, .357 Sig, .38 super, .40 S&W, 10mm or .45 ACP ?

I surveyed the following and their answer:

BJ Norris 9mm
Bill Rogers 9mm
Bill Wilson 9mm
David Bahde 9mm
Ernest Langdon 9mm
Frank Proctor 9mm
Ken Hackathorn 9mm
Larry Vickers 9mm
Mike Seeklander 9mm
Paul Markel 9mm
Paul Howe 9mm
Paul Buffoni 9mm
Rob Haught .45
Rob Leatham .40
Super Dave Harrington no response yet, but he's always been a 9mm guy
 

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So this tells us what exactly?

That the first twelve people like nine millimeter and the last two people like .45 and 40 respectively. That is great, thank you for the information.
 

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If the poll had been conducted thirty years ago, and included Jeff Cooper, Charles Askins, Bill Jordan, Ray Chapman, Chuck Taylor - top instructors, competitors and lawmen - how different would the results have been; would a single one of them have chosen 9mm?
 

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If the poll had been conducted thirty years ago, and included Jeff Cooper, Charles Askins, Bill Jordan, Ray Chapman, Chuck Taylor - top instructors, competitors and lawmen - how different would the results have been; would a single one of them have chosen 9mm?
Maybe Askins. I wouldn't have chosen 9mm 10 years ago either, but improvements in guns and especially bullets have changed the landscape..........
 

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All the 9mm naysayers can now have a seat.

Thanks for the info. I'm sure this post will be linked in the 9 vs. 45 threads for years to come.
 

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Thanks for the post - quite interesting.

The results would have shocked me 10 years ago - but not today.
I've become a 9mm fan myself.
 

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Super Dave Harrington just called and he's 9mm all the way, said his carry load is CorBon 90gr DPX
 

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The poll doesn't surprise me at all. Modern bullet designs have come a long way. Current crop of SD ammo is much better than 30 years when the wondernine craze took off (and eventually collapsed). I carry a Ruger SR9C every now and then when I'm not carrying my SW1911 Sub-compact.
 

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Message from Rob Haught

Just got this from Rob, guess he actually read the ? :)

"Oh he'll, if I gotta buy it it wd be 9mm"
 

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This might have meant something had you also asked them why? Otherwise, that is their opinion which is like @#$holes, we all have one. Lol.
Just because someone is an expert marksman or gunsmith etc......that does not validate an opinion about ammo.

Scientific test have some meaning. But, I ask you this: 45 ACP has been around a long, long time and has proven effective as a hardball round. JHP just got to be better than hardball. Me, if I carry a 1911 it will be in 45ACP. Other pistol makes I would consider 9mm.
 

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I think you should have qualified it with not buying the ammo..... as much as some of those guys shoot- the cost difference in ammo alone would break many people.
 

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ammo has evolved in ALL calibers

especially bullets have changed the landscape..........
I'd take premium SD ammo in 9mm over traditional ball ammo in .45, but if we are comparing new, modern designed HP ammo in both- I'll take the .45
 

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Maybe consider start selling drop in conversion kits for us WC 45Cal owners...
 

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That's a bit surprising.

At least there's a couple big boys there...





...jk.

9mm is certainly cool again. I'll be picking one up here soon...only because I don't have one. I like shooting my 45's and 38's best.

I like to combine the particular gun with most appropriate caliber.
 

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Actually, Col. Askins was predominately a heavy caliber guy thru out most of his "career" even though as I remember he was instrumental in getting the Border Patrol to standardize on the Colt New Service in .38 special. With the Border Patrol he mainly carried Colt New Services in 44/40 or 45 Colt and with the Forest Service he carried a 38/40 and later a .357 Magnum still in his favored New Service model Colts. He really liked those big frame Colt revolvers (usually with the front of the trigger guard cut away). It was in his later years starting in the '80's that he embraced the .45 auto and pretty much went over to that.
 

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So Bill, are you planning to have a fire sale to get rid of all those "obsolete" .45's that are too expensive to shoot? If you do, I'll take one exactly like the giveaway gun in the Sept. 1981 American Handgunner magazine. Just don't bob the hammer. And I'll even pay the same price!
 

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So Bill, are you planning to have a fire sale to get rid of all those "obsolete" .45's that are too expensive to shoot? If you do, I'll take one exactly like the giveaway gun in the Sept. 1981 American Handgunner magazine. Just don't bob the hammer. And I'll even pay the same price!
Let's just face it, .45 will always be the most popular and primary caliber for a 1911 so doubt there will be any "obsolete" guns laying around, but 9mm is now becoming a viable alternative for many people.
 
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