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This was just on the evening news and I have not found a text link on the internet yet for it, although I am sure one is forthcoming.

Apparently, two individuals have been on a small time crime spree to Waffle Houses and convenience stores in the areas south and west of Dallas. During one such robbery where the clerk had been robbed at gun point, forced to give up his wallet, and taken to the back room, another customer entered the store. That customer was named Compton and he holds a CHL and was carrying. The robbers were meandering in the store when Compton entered. He grabbed a paper and went to the counter to check out when one of the bad guys stuck a gun in his chest and demanded his wallet. This was all shown on the security camera video. Compton complied and was directed to the back room. Somewhere in getting out his wallet and going to the back room, Compton went for his gun, but when he started to draw it, the mag release got hit and unseated his mag. Fortunately, Compton realized that left him with one round and two armed bad guys and his attempt to draw his weapon went unnoticed and the bad guys left Compton and the clerk in the back of the store, alive. In the video, you can see Compton's actions, but I did not notice anything resembling going for a gun (maybe I missed it? and apparently so did the bad guys).

Even though Compton was unsuccessful in halting the robbery, this story has several lessons for people who carry concealed.

First and foremost is that bad things can happen to good people when they least expect it. This was apparently a morning robbery, not the usual time for these events.

Second, being able to carry a firearm legally simply gives you the option to use it should you need to use it and if the circumstances are favorable or necessary for you to use it.

Third, your choice of carry methods, choice of weapons, and skill level in their use can seriously affect whether or not you can deploy your gun effectively.

Last, proper working knowledge of your firearm may become critical if something goes wrong with it. In Compton's case, at least he realized that the mag (he referred to as a 'clip') had unseated and he subsequently based his decision on what to do given that he had only one round available to fire.

Compton was definitely fortunate in that no one (especially him) got hurt. Given that the odds were two to one in favor of the bad guys and given that they already had their guns drawn, Compton likely would have had a difficult time successfully drawing his soon-to-be malfunctioning gun (when round #2 would be expected) and successfully stop two bad guys with one shot. One thing Compton did not mention was whether the mag was simply unseated or if the entire mag had come out of the gun. If just unseated, he might have been able to reseat the mag as he drew the weapon. Of course there would be a lot of potential for trouble by having to do that as well and aim before the first shot so as not to have to re-rack the slide for subsequent shots. The reseating and aiming would have to be performed under the pressure of having two bad guys trying to prevent his successful gun deployment.
 

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As for right now, I don't have any way to verify why the mag was unseated. The story was not updated on the 10:00 PM news.

My other thoughts were that the mag release button spring might have been performing less that intended due to over use, manufactured with improper tension, or breakage.

One other aspect is that Compton might have done this inadvertantly in trying to draw the gun. Whether the problem was due to the gun, method of carry (not stated in the interview), or handling of the gun was not reported.

I will see if there is any updated information on the morning news tomorrow and see if I can track down an internet link to the story.
 

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I am not sure we can't consider the mag a serious issue. We only have one witness to that event and that was the guy with the gun. Maybe he did fabricate the story since it does not seem to show him trying to draw his gun. Of course he might have and us not see it is just a product of poor video tape or his body shielding the video tape from recording the behavior.

As far as when you can and cannot use lethal force, each states have their own rules and regulations.

Sorry, I have yet to find an internet link for the incident
 

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Depending on where you may live and the local laws, you may not be able to use lethal force to protect property, but property isn't the issue most times. I just love to hear people argue points like the first Texas CHL license holder shooing that was billed as a man getting killed over two vehicles swapping paint on the highway and the incident turning into road rage. That may be what started the incident, but not why the bad guy got killed. The bad guy got killed because he was beating the crap out of a little guy (head/face punches that result in permanent partial loss of vision in left eye) who grabbed his gun and defended himself. Once his life was in jeopardy, the parameters of the situation changed. Same for many muggings. A guys says gimme your wallet, but shows no weapon or makes no threatening moves and it is doubtful shooting the guy will be justified. If he threatens you with a weapon, the issue is no longer robbery but whether or not you survive a lethal confrontation.

Apparently what a lot of you would consider deadly force is apparently not what deadly force is as argued by the attorneys for Rivas of the Texas 7 who shot officer Hawkins. This has also been on the news quite a bit here in North Texas. According to the attorneys, Rivas never intended to kill anyone and so he should not get the death penalty. I am not sure how that logic works given that Hawkins was shot 6 times in the head and several other times in other places, then run over with his squad car, but the body did not clear the second set of wheels and he was dragged several feet - but they did not mean to kill him.
 
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