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I use high octane gas in my weedeaters and chainsaws that is available locally. Hard to tell if it has ethanol or not. They put ethanol stickers on hard to see places on the pumps sometimes.

I treat the gas with Sta-Bil. It's when this ethanol flavored gas sits in the tanks of my weedeaters and chainsaws for a length that I have problems.
 

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The Ethanol in the gas thing is a corporate subsidy.

Yeah. At great expense, the wife and I only use the "Ethanol free" pump in town for all our cars, yard tools, etc.

We might be getting screwed (maybe there is some Ethanol)...but I'm kinda old school. Just want gas. Not interested in any fancy, earth-saving additives...which are just a fancy way of saying, "We watered down your gas for your convenience...and our profit. Thank you."
This is a hand out to Cargill, Con Agra, and a couple of the other big players. Disguised as a green initiative. They are not concerned how this affects the performance of your small engines. After all none of these people actually do their own yard work.

Over the course of the next few years when grain prices start to spike up world wide. As they are already starting to do due to climate issues. And you start to have millions of people starving to death each year as opposed to maybe a few hundred thousand in any given year. You may actually see some push back on this. But in the meantime, I do not think that the Cargill family will be losing any sleep over it.
 

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An even better label would be "real gas".
I noticed the other day that the pumps now all have stickers with the Federal, State, and local taxes listed. I always shake my head at the idiots who bad-mouth evil 'big oil' and their egregious profits. The government makes about 7 times as much, and does far less.
Yep, on avg it's about $1/gal in just taxes!

nobody (NOBODY) who collects $$ wants to see less gas usage.

In AZ (and I am sure elsewhere), e vehicles are becoming an issue for the tax collectors. Since e vehicles use little to no gas the revenue stream from that tax is vanishing, BUT, DOT will now assess a "e vehicle fee" in registration to help offset the lost tax revenue from gas. This additional fee is near $250+. $250 is about half of a 12kmi/yr car running at 22mpg! As vehicles advance to electric the reg fees will go up.

Technology doesnt always help the consumer.
 

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Yep, on avg it's about $1/gal in just taxes!

nobody (NOBODY) who collects $$ wants to see less gas usage.

In AZ (and I am sure elsewhere), e vehicles are becoming an issue for the tax collectors. Since e vehicles use little to no gas the revenue stream from that tax is vanishing, BUT, DOT will now assess a "e vehicle fee" in registration to help offset the lost tax revenue from gas. This additional fee is near $250+. $250 is about half of a 12kmi/yr car running at 22mpg! As vehicles advance to electric the reg fees will go up.

Technology doesnt always help the consumer.
I think what you meant to say is government doesn't always help the consumer. Here in Oregon, they've been bitching about the lower receipts due to more fuel efficient vehicles. They've thrown out a plan to begin taxing drivers per mile, rather than at the pump. They'd like to implement this with a device installed in your car......:barf:
 

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Ok, back to saws.
I run a Husky 550xp
I keep one new chain on hand for a emergency
I have give chains that get resharpened
I only use store bought canned fuel, no stations here sell non alcohol fuel
 

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This is a hand out to Cargill, Con Agra, and a couple of the other big players. Disguised as a green initiative. They are not concerned how this affects the performance of your small engines. After all none of these people actually do their own yard work.

Over the course of the next few years when grain prices start to spike up world wide. As they are already starting to do due to climate issues. And you start to have millions of people starving to death each year as opposed to maybe a few hundred thousand in any given year. You may actually see some push back on this. But in the meantime, I do not think that the Cargill family will be losing any sleep over it.
It is also alleged that ethanol is a net-net loss in the grand scheme of renewable energy, as are most renewable energy sources.

The reason is that the energy cost of growing corn to yield 1 gallon of ethanol requires more energy in terms of petroleum. The expenditure in fossil fuel for fertilizers, fuel for the tractor/combine, processing the corn, distillation energy costs, energy for the water irrigation, etc, means that more than one gallon of fossil fuel is burnt to make that one gallon of ethanol.

But don't tell that to the green earth liberals, even google likes to hide the search results.

CU scientist terms corn-based ethanol 'subsidized food burning'
 

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Sometimes I get tempted.

Ok, back to saws.
I run a Husky 550xp
I keep one new chain on hand for a emergency
I have give chains that get resharpened
I only use store bought canned fuel, no stations here sell non alcohol fuel
To buy one of the 800 series Stihl saws. The ones that have more power than your average automobile, and boast 36 inch bars at a minimum. Just to have one. But I have a little more sense than I used to. Some great chainsaw vids on Youtube though. It is amazing how many of these dummies actually survive.
 

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Father in law has always ran Stihl. No real Stihl shops where I’m at.
Local saw shop carries Husky, love mine
Husky and Stihl are both top-tier saws.
 

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I have a Stihl & really like it. Don't heat with wood anymore so it mostly goes hunting with me to clear trees off roads. I use premium gas, no ethanol, & clean, drain oil & fuel after every use. After a long period of resting in its case, it'll still start about the 5th pull.
 

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Husqvarna's blade speed is a bit higher than Stihl's which some find more desirable. Stihl service and support is pretty strong in our area. Better than Husqvarna.

Although I have never owned Husqvarna everyone that that I have talked that owned both Stihl and Husqvarna said the quality of Husqvarna is just as good as Stihl.

I have had only one bad Stihl. Through experience I prefer Stihl.
 

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I keep,and maintain 3 Stihl chainsaws.I used to cut many cords of firewood a season,but as my body started failing with the nerve damage in hands, RA,hernias,and degenerative disc disease,they see very little use.I have a Stihl 021(gets the most use),028,and MS460.
 

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I gave up trying to find ethanol free high octane fuel at service stations. Seems only 87 or rarely 89 octane is available. So I resorted to canned fuel from Lowes or HD and it has solved my run performance and fuel degradation issues.
It's expensive but unless you're cutting mega firewood it goes a long way and the after opening shelf life is 2 years. I started using the 4 stroke version in my Honda generator after spending hours cleaning the crud out of the carb jets.
And I went south when I recently bought a new chainsaw. Got an Echo and deviated from the Stihl/Husky dominance. So far it's great.
 

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My experience is that ethanol gas degrades very quickly. High octane fuel, even with ethanol in it, treated with either Sta-Bil or Sea Foam has been working for me in chain saws and weed eaters.
 

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Your saw will start easier with lower octane fuel.

Than it will with higher Octane. With that said. If you are really looking to provide yourself with a lot of usable firewood. The saw is just part of it. You will also need to have a good saw horse. Additionally you will need to have a way of placing heavy logs in your saw horse. A good set of pallet forks for your tractor will serve you well in this regard.
 

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Here is my main firewood saw and my chain sharpening set-up. Takes about 5 minutes to sharpen a chain. The second pic is of the handiest saw accessory known to man.

Did some thinking today as I was cutting wood on the ethanol debate. This saw was purchased 13 years ago. The day it came home, E-10 gas went in the tank. It has had E-10 continuously in the saw for 13 years. It runs for a couple hours a week all winter and gets used a couple times during the summer. It starts and runs like when it was new.
 

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