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Best response so far.
I got my first GLOCK in my late 30s or maybe 40+, I don't really remember. By then I was a well seasoned CCr so there was no issue as far as carrying it condition 1.
I guess I never gave it a thought.
Cocked & Locked: The Best Way to Carry a 1911
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I got my first GLOCK in my late 30s or maybe 40+, I don't really remember. By then I was a well seasoned CCr so there was no issue as far as carrying it condition 1.
I guess I never gave it a thought.
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It's same thing as the male/female sexes.
There are only two.
A gun that is ready for use has a round chambered, hammer cocked and thumb safety engaged. Anything else is most decidedly not ready for use.
There are males.....and females......that's it.
Some things don't nee a pile of debate as they are generally that damn simple to grasp.....yet so many don't seem to.
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Cocked and locked? Y'mean ANOTHER safety? Unlocked is just like a striker fired gun then so why the thumb safety?
Seriously, that's the polymer crowd mindset
It's not only SAO guns, Even my older S&W's, Beretta's, Tanfos, S&W M&P (Yes mine has a TS) Browning, and Sig P226 X5 have a TS and whilst shooting or carrying the TS is on when I don't want it to go bang.
For every situation where the user forgot to snick the safety off in a firefight in the last hundred+ years (which I doubt are many if any) I bet there were thousands of AD's with striker fired guns. I know I've seen those
While I may not have my edc on me every second I am in the house...I carry all the time when I am working outside, going to the store, etc. A coworker carries occasionally, says he moves around too much at work to carry at work. I carry at work 100% of the time, our owner is perfectly fine with it. I believe learning to live with the gun is essential. To be familiar with it, to have it a part of your everyday routine. You can't plan when you'll need it.
I carry my little xds9 when I need maximum concealability or while rv camping, lots of sitting. My 1911 is carried almost any other time.
I carry my little xds9 when I need maximum concealability or while rv camping, lots of sitting. My 1911 is carried almost any other time.
It doesn't matter how you carry a 1911 - you're either safe or you are not. FWIW, John Browning carried his semi auto pistols on half cock - he considered the half cock notch as a safety - his personal 1911 had no thumb safety because he thought it was unnecessary. He only designed the thumb safety because the Army Ordnance Board demanded it. As far as I know he never managed to shoot himself or anyone else unintentionally.
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Perhaps, if you are uncomfortable with condition one, you need to carry something with double action, or a safe action like a Glock. With the 1911 the only way to carry is cocked and locked and this also is the only way to carry a Browning HP.
No, cocked and locked is simply one way to carry it. Ask anyone who was in the military how it was carried. Nobody used cocked and locked. Cocked and locked IS the fastest way to bring it to bear. But there are many people who have no business with Condition One.
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I'm retiring from law enforcement at the end of the month, 46 years total, 16 years as Chief of Police. Carried a 1911 every day, always in condition 1, cocked and locked with a chambered round and full magazine.
If this troubles you, carry a revolver, or slingshot.
If this troubles you, carry a revolver, or slingshot.
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Once upon a time,
I carried a Para Ordnance LDA, one in the chamber, hammer down, thumb safety off.
What with the split sear, what condition was my condition in ?
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I carried a Para Ordnance LDA, one in the chamber, hammer down, thumb safety off.
What with the split sear, what condition was my condition in ?
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There's a movie from 1986 titled FX that had a federal agent named Lipton as an antagonist. That character carried condition 2 so he could cock the hammer to intimidate people and then decock it to put it up. My brother and I found that amusing and ridiculous. Typical Hollywood BS.
My take is the conversation stays relevant because folks like me are just starting to consider carry and run flat into the question.
For myself I know damn well what the arguments are and have some of my own ideals on them.
Years back the coach on my local BE league looked at the gun I bought and dismissed the safety- “we don’t use those”.
All these years I used a safety on a pistol once and it was yesterday.
I was trying to clear a dud from a new rimfire gun and flipped on the safety figuring why not.
Two minutes later I couldn’t get the gun to fire so packed it up for the day.
It took me getting home to figure out the safety was on…
The bedside- condition three safety off.
I am pretty well convinced a carry should be condition 1
But…
I bought a first sample of the carry type gun and it’s a Hk striker- no safety with their fairly light short take up trigger.
It says right in the manual to NOT holster with round in tube…
So take me as a sample of one of the typical kind of idiot who is wondering about carry condition.
I’m a good example of why this will always be a relevant topic…
For myself I know damn well what the arguments are and have some of my own ideals on them.
Years back the coach on my local BE league looked at the gun I bought and dismissed the safety- “we don’t use those”.
All these years I used a safety on a pistol once and it was yesterday.
I was trying to clear a dud from a new rimfire gun and flipped on the safety figuring why not.
Two minutes later I couldn’t get the gun to fire so packed it up for the day.
It took me getting home to figure out the safety was on…
The bedside- condition three safety off.
I am pretty well convinced a carry should be condition 1
But…
I bought a first sample of the carry type gun and it’s a Hk striker- no safety with their fairly light short take up trigger.
It says right in the manual to NOT holster with round in tube…
So take me as a sample of one of the typical kind of idiot who is wondering about carry condition.
I’m a good example of why this will always be a relevant topic…
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Other than my 1911s and a Hi-Power, I don't own any other pistols that have a safety. Of course, a revolver doesn't have a safety and how many years have they been around? And a revolver is usually considered the safest type of handgun. Sig P229, Kahr PM9, no safeties. A lot of professionals, Texas Rangers etc. have had the grip safety on a 1911 disabled [pinned or tied] and the Hi-Power doesn't have a grip safety. Contrary to what that actor said, if you don't pull the trigger the gun wont fire!
So the question remains- would you carry the 1911 or BHP with the safety off?
My observation is that there are two distinct gun cultures which are dependent on the gun in hand.
There is to my mind a curious shift in attitude on this question which is hardware driven.
I mentioned it before- this nice Hk I have has a lighter pull than my BHPs .
It would be a safer gun if provided with a manual safety.
Trigger/muzzle discipline is essential for any firearm but it is used to explain away the need for a manual safety when in discussion of those arms which lack it.
Its just odd to my mind to shift the discussion in this manner based on the manual of arms not on universal principle.
My observation is that there are two distinct gun cultures which are dependent on the gun in hand.
There is to my mind a curious shift in attitude on this question which is hardware driven.
I mentioned it before- this nice Hk I have has a lighter pull than my BHPs .
It would be a safer gun if provided with a manual safety.
Trigger/muzzle discipline is essential for any firearm but it is used to explain away the need for a manual safety when in discussion of those arms which lack it.
Its just odd to my mind to shift the discussion in this manner based on the manual of arms not on universal principle.
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