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Hi everyone, I have a friend that has a Colt National Match serial 8250-NM and the gun is at 100% condition, like new. I would like to know, how much is this colt worth?. Because he wants to sell it, and he doesnt now the price range.

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I would call Colt and find out the year it was made and any other info they may give you for free (be nice when calling). Posting a picture would be nice. I have seen NIB (New In Box) guns from the 60s that were purchased, thrown in a safe, not checked or touched and became RIB (Rusted in Box), and before you say "no way", have you checked under the grips? Does it have box and papers, etc.? Is your friend famous?
 

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IMO, call Colt. Proofhouse will get you in the ballpark, but, it can be off by a year or so. That vintage might be worth spending the $ on a letter.
 

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Well the exact serial number is 8694-NM, this colt is by itself, without the box, papers. Its just the Colt with 1 Magazine and thats it. Its condition is 100% or 99%. I will put some pictures later, I dont have my camera with me. So aprox the price range will be ??? .

Nick Riviezzo said 1750 - 2000, can anyone else can confirm that?

Because he wants a price range, so he can sell it.

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PS. Sorry I made a mistake with the previous Serial Number.
 

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There are numerous listings for Colt National Match in gunbroker.com archived
sales, this being one of them:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=140940055

There seem to have been actual sales beginning around $1100 on up with those going for more than $2K went with box and paperwork.

There are also archived sales in cabelas.com "Gun Library" with actual sales also starting less than $2k going up from there.

Not having the box and paperwork is going to hold the value down a bit.
 

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There are no 100% guns. Based on an inspection of the gun, including all the little guts at 50x mag. then maybe $1000 range.
 

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That Gunbroker site its really good, I can do some research about the price range vs. condition, but its between 1k -2k more less. Well if theres anything else I need to know more about this colt, please let me know. I might buy it lol :) .

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That Gunbroker site its really good, I can do some research about the price range vs. condition, but its between 1k -2k more less. Well if theres anything else I need to know more about this colt, please let me know. I might buy it lol :) .

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Al.

I believe at least some, and maybe all, National Match 1911s were equipped with slides that had metal removed from the slide to reduce weight. It was assumed that these "lightened" pistols would be used with reduced load ammo. Use of full factory load ammo, could result in the cracking of the slide.
If your intent is to shoot the pistol, I suggest you become familiar with any limitations it might have from this factory mod, if in fact, it has been so-modified.
 

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I believe at least some, and maybe all, National Match 1911s were equipped with slides that had metal removed from the slide to reduce weight. It was assumed that these "lightened" pistols would be used with reduced load ammo. Use of full factory load ammo, could result in the cracking of the slide.
If your intent is to shoot the pistol, I suggest you become familiar with any limitations it might have from this factory mod, if in fact, it has been so-modified.
Thanks for the tip, I honestly didnt knew that. I should have that in mind now, because my intention is to shoot that pistol with regular .45 cal.

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Thanks for the tip, I honestly didnt knew that. I should have that in mind now, because my intention is to shoot that pistol with regular .45 cal.

Al.

Read through this thread on the subject--I think it provides some insight to the extent of the issue. I didn't study the details, but it may be possible to avoid cracking problems (of the slide, if its been lightened) simply by using
the correct recoil spring for the ammunition used. I'm sure there's enough
information that's relatively easy to find to avoid making a mistake with a beautiful pistol like a pristine NM.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=226147&highlight=lightened+slides
 

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Read through this thread on the subject--I think it provides some insight to the extent of the issue. I didn't study the details, but it may be possible to avoid cracking problems (of the slide, if its been lightened) simply by using
the correct recoil spring for the ammunition used. I'm sure there's enough
information that's relatively easy to find to avoid making a mistake with a beautiful pistol like a pristine NM.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=226147&highlight=lightened+slides

Thanks for the advice, I've read the hole thread and of what I've understand, please correct me, if im wrong, that I only need to change the Recoil Spring of 12lb for a 16lb or a 18lb Spring so with that new spring I can use the factory load 45 ammo (230-240 gr).

This Colt National Match that Im planning on buying has only like 100 shots in it, so its like new. All the internals are fine, Ive just checked. So in a way of concluding this, I change to a 16 - 18 lb recoil spring and now I can be sure that my slide wont crack at all ?.


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Thanks for the advice, I've read the hole thread and of what I've understand, please correct me, if im wrong, that I only need to change the Recoil Spring of 12lb for a 16lb or a 18lb Spring so with that new spring I can use the factory load 45 ammo (230-240 gr).

This Colt National Match that Im planning on buying has only like 100 shots in it, so its like new. All the internals are fine, Ive just checked. So in a way of concluding this, I change to a 16 - 18 lb recoil spring and now I can be sure that my slide wont crack at all ?.


Thanks.

Al.

The consensus I get from reading a lot of postings on Forums like this, is that the use of at least 16 lb recoil spring, possibly with a buffer, will protect the slide from cracking with factory ammunition. While that would go a long way in making me feel more confident, you want to be "sure that your slide wont crack at all". I would feel the same way.

Perhaps asking Colt Customer Service might get you a more definitive answer. Their phone number is 1-800-962-COLT and answer the phone during normal East Coast (U.S). business hours which I believe is after 10:00a.m. East Coast time. The person you talk to probably wont have the answer, but they might be able to direct you to someone who will.
 

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The only way to ensure you won't crack it is to not shoot it! The lightened slide is intended for light loads, so if you shoot it with full-power ammo, you risk cracking the slide. The gun was designed for something else.
 

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The only way to ensure you won't crack it is to not shoot it! The lightened slide is intended for light loads, so if you shoot it with full-power ammo, you risk cracking the slide. The gun was designed for something else.
You are totaly right, but I might take my chances on putting the 16lb recoil spring and the buffer.

Well the factory .45 auto ammo has 230-240 gr, the light ammo on .45 auto how many grains does it have? 200 ? less ?

Because in my country we only have regular factory .45 auto ammo. But its possible to use reloaded target rounds, with reduce grains.

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You are totaly right, but I might take my chances on putting the 16lb recoil spring and the buffer.

Well the factory .45 auto ammo has 230-240 gr, the light ammo on .45 auto how many grains does it have? 200 ? less ?

Because in my country we only have regular factory .45 auto ammo. But its possible to use reloaded target rounds, with reduce grains.

Thanks.

Al.

Everyone has their favorite target loads for the .45acp. Most of them use a 185 gr or 200 gr lswc (lead semi-wad cutter) bullet with various powder charges. My personal utility light load is 200 gr lswc with 5.3 gr of W231 powder. I think this would be considered a moderate load, but its noticably less robust than a full factory load. I have 16 and 18 lb springs in my 1911s.
I have a couple of Gold Cups, but they don't have the lightened slides that the earlier National Match pistols had.
 

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Everyone has their favorite target loads for the .45acp. Most of them use a 185 gr or 200 gr lswc (lead semi-wad cutter) bullet with various powder charges. My personal utility light load is 200 gr lswc with 5.3 gr of W231 powder. I think this would be considered a moderate load, but its noticably less robust than a full factory load. I have 16 and 18 lb springs in my 1911s.
I have a couple of Gold Cups, but they don't have the lightened slides that the earlier National Match pistols had.
Hi Skipsan, thank you once more for your time and information.

But for my special issue, considering that I have a previous NM. Using a 200 gr lswc with 5.3 gr of W231 powder, plus changing the springs to a 16lb or 18lb and the buffer, my slide will be safe ? and I will work just fine right ?

Where can I buy the springs and buffer, that has international shipping ??, do you know any site ??.

And for making my own ammo, what things do I need and equipment so I can make them myself. Im my country its hard to fine reloaded .45 auto ammo, thats why.

Thank you,

Al.
 
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