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Yeah, thats what I thought too when I read that crap! In the latest issue of GunWorld (? I think thats it) Jan Libourel (sp?) is answering a readers question about the history of the Gold Cup. Toward the end of the answer he mentions that he's not sure what the status of the Gold Cup is now since Colt doesn't sell to the public anymore!
When is this crap going to stop!?
I thought these guys knew better? Mr. Libourel is a well known writer. He was at Guns&Ammo and other rags for years until going to start up GunWorld awhile back.

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My understanding of the situation is that although Colt technically still IS selling to the public, producing guns for the civilian market is very low on the priority ladder and only as resources permit. Given that at one moment there will be plenty of new M1991A1s in the pipeline, and then it dries up the next seems to give support for this notion. Of course, if Mark655 would show up around here again soon maybe he could tell us the OFFICIAL company position on this matter.

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I think maybe this is a legitimate statement. Since Colt sells to distributors-who sell to gun shops-who sell to the civilian American(USA) consumer. My only question is where is the new M1911A1?
 

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i think libourel may have been mistaken, and consider that the magazine is written up a few months before its put out on the market, and how old is the letter?
it seems to me that colt is just now getting back into selling guns to the public, they have sent in models to kalif for testing and approval (very expensive to do), and ive seen NIB colts at the gun store for sale.

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Guys, for those of you wondering, I know they are still producing for us lowly civilians. Its just crap like this in the magazines and gunshops that keep driving the prices up. I just wish everyone could get it straight on where Colt stands for once. I want those dang prices back down!

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What the gun magazine tribe is saying is "Colt isn't spending advertising dollars for Ads in our magazines anymore, therefore they must not be selling to the public." Personally, I think it's a pretty good legal strategy to be able to say in court, "We don't sell to the public and we can prove it because we have no budget for public advertising." Brilliant! Now if Colt would only get their act together (after the lawsuits are put to bed) and start marketing their products like Kimber does to the public, all Colt fans would benefit.
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SamColtFan, you are on to something regarding ad money and fair coverage.

If Jan Libourel had done his homework in preparation for the publication of his article and talked to Colt at the SHOT Show - as I, a lowly gun retailer, did - he would have known that there were new improvements to the Gold Cup, as well as a new roundtop stainless model, ideal for carry. We have sold a half dozen of the new Gold Cups - and they are the best ever built.

And he has to know that Colt has never stopped selling to the public. This is indeed suspicious. That phony story is over two years old, originally a bit of speculation by Newsweek magazine that CNN picked up and created the "Colt scare" that emptied the warehouses and caused unnecessary Colt handgun shortages while Colt was understandably busy with an Army M-4 contract. Many gunshops still repeat the story as an excuse not to carry Colt because their profit margin is higher on cheaper goods - Kimber, Glock and Springfield.

I suspect the reason Mr. Libourel "misspoke himself" is because all gunwriter "journalism" of today seems to be connected to an ad payment check. Years ago publishers sold magazines based on interesting content which the public bought - and ads were extra money. At that time they could be journalistically objective and honest. Now the ad money is larger and more important. So objectivity is largely gone. Unless you are buying ads, we have nothing good to say about you. Kimber, Glock and Springfield are all buying large ads - some full page - that have to be worth $100,000 per issue. Colt isn't - thus they are "damned with faint praise", if mentioned at all. American Handgunner and Guns magazine have even been attacking Colt for the last six months - to the benefit of their major advertisers/sponsors, Kimber and Glock.


As for Colt's lack of advertising - they are still financially struggling, and the money isn't there yet for ads. They had large layoffs in the recent past - though they are now up above 1800 daily employees. A Connecticut union shop is an expensive way to make guns, particularly when you still forge and machine parts. Kimber and Springfield either largely use cheap ($3.00ea hammers, slide stop,etc) MIM sintered metal/epoxy parts or produce in Brazil, respectively, which gives them the huge profits to pay for big advertising budgets - which in turn drives even more favorable gun articles, which drives more sales. Colt actually puts more into building each gun, made in USA - but is less profitable as a consequence.

Even if the lack of ads was a legal defense to help Colt fight off the anti-gun manufacturer lawsuits, could you blame them? This is the anti's fault, not Colt's, for heaven's sake!

To sum up, Colt is and has been selling to the public all along. We get shipments regularly from Colt's Manufacturing - and the guns are highly satisfactory. The company's products are in many ways the best ever produced, by any maker. Also - Gunwriters can be slimey for commercial reasons, as well as being guilty of not doing their research before they write.

Yours for more objectivity in journalism, Col. Colt

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Col. Colt....
Good write up on what is really happening in the real world with Colt Manufacturing. I also believe that Colt currently is making one of the finest 45's on the market. The original (1999-2000) XS guns are unbelievable in fit and finish, not to mention having the nicest triggers around, yes even better than a Kimber without the Series 80 safety. The Stainless G.C. Trophy guns are works of art. If Colt only had the marketing expertise and finances that Kimber has, Colt could again be the dominant force in 45's. IMO too many accountants and bankers have exerted too much control over Colt's direction. I'm not a retailer, I'm a Colt collector with a marketing and sales background. Over the years, Colt has made some marketing blunders, i.e., The Colt 2000. Not only was the gun ugly, it didn't hold together well. However, from the beginning, most of the gun magazines bashed the Colt Double Eagle, when infact the Colt DE, Mark II, Series 90 was a very accurate and relatively durable handgun. In my area, it was not unusual to see police use of the DE, with very good reviews. Also, I have a M1991-A1 that I purchased new in 1991. I have put thousands of rounds through the gun and used it for reserve police work. Never, ever have I had a problem with the gun and only 1 FTF in 10 years when I limp wristed it after having previously shot a S&W 686 revolver. All in all, Colt makes a great gun. I'll tell you in 10 years if my Custom CDP works as well as my 1991A1 has worked for the past 10 years.
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Have seen a few 1991's lately that were fitted very nicely. Also a few with normal, that is to say okay, fitting. One, that I inspected for a friend who was going to sell it, had a barrel fitting job that a custom shop would have been proud of. I told the friend that, and he promptly decided to keep it. Darned honesty, anyway--I wanted that gun. Also, saw what looked like a new model, a normal 1991, but with adjustable sights that looked like--but weren't--Bomars.
 

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Col. Colt,

Just want to let you know that some of us pistolsmiths very much appreciate your comments.
I'd rather use a current manufactured Colt, as a base gun for a full-custom, than any of the copies that abound.
You display a most unusual 'grip on common sense and fact' in your posts, that seems to elude the majority of posters/posers!

Thanks,
Chuck
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