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I'm a newbie. Please give me the basics on the Commander and the XSE.

I am looking for my first 1911. Something sturdy and reliable yet smaller framed 1911 (not necessarily a lightweight aluminum, just smaller than the fullsized) . Are the SXE or the Commander suitable?

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Compared to the full-size Govt Model, the Commander has a 3/4" shorter barrel/slide. If the frame is steel (35 ounces) it's a Combat Commander, and if the frame is aluminum (27 ounces) it's a Lightweight Commander. "XSE" refers to Colt's current production models with some of the features that are found on other mid- to high-end 1911s, such as extra cocking serrations on the front of the slide, a lightweight trigger, ambidextrous thumb safety, etc. There is also a basic Commander that is from the M1991A1 line; these guns are closer to G.I. in configuration, are available in blue or stainless (no lightweight), and cost about $100 less than the XSE. The current production version is usually referred to as "new roll mark" or "NRM" on the forum.
 

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Go to the Colt website www.colt.com . It will show you pictures of the complete lineup as well as specs. The Commander is the same frame as the full sized government model, but has a 4 1/4" barrel instead of the 5". I personally like the looks and feel of it better than the full sized gun. The XSE has more bells and whistles than the 1991 commander. Also the 1991 is only available with a steel frame (stainless as well as blued), while the XSE is available in an aluminum framed model as well as steel. Any Commander model would be suitable, but if you want to carry concealed, the aluminum would have advantages.
 

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The XSE Commander has a guide rod. I don't mind that specifically, but getting the spring stopper out is a pain because of it. There's a little ridge which digs into my thumb, and I can't quite get it down far enough on my own to get the bushing off. I gotta use a hard flat edge of some sort. Kind of annoying in relation to my Gov't which I can get apart in seconds.

And if there's a break-in period, I don't think it's quite done yet. :rolleyes: Quite accurate however. Points very well. Very nice trigger.
 

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Amadeus. I purchased a NRM Commander a couple of weeks ago. I bought the 1991A1 blued steel version. I'm completely satisfied with the gun. Fit, finish, and reliability were excellent right out of the box. The gun shoots about 3 inches over POA at 25 yards but I don't consider that a problem. Groups are about 2 inches. I purchased it for concealed carry but we are on hold here in MO so not sure how it will work out for that. I've owned Government Model 1911s for over 35 years but this is my first Commander size so I can't comment on best first 1911. I do like the way the gun points. I don't plan on changing a thing except getting it hard chrome plated. If you like the gun I would not hesitate to purchase one. You'll probably end up with more of them anyway and can buy a full size later on. Have a good one.
 

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xse commander is it for now!

The XSE commander is the only currently approved commander in Ca.. You either buy it or a used one or possibly a defender. Thats it for new ones in Commifornia. However I do remember Mark1648 mentioning that the base model commanders would be submitted for testing. Just an FYI. Welcome to the Colt forum and don't hog all the nice used ones you find. I'll do that for you. RB:D
 

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Roboshred:

This past weekend (11/15/03) I was looking at the CA DOJ list of approved firearms. As of this month, the Colt Commander 4091U is legal for sale and manufacture in California! :D
 

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Copied from the CA DOJ Website

Newly Added Handgun Models
Department of Justice Firearms Division
The following handgun models have been recently added to the DOJ Handgun
Roster and may be sold, manufactured, etc., within California unless such sale,
manufacture, etc., is otherwise prohibited under California law.

Make Model Caliber Type
Barrel
Length Date Added

Colt 04091U / Stainless Steel .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 11/15/2003
Colt 04691 / Carbon Steel .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 11/15/2003
Kimber Custom II / Blue Steel .45 ACP Pistol 5" 11/15/2003
Kimber Ultra Carry Stainless II /
Stainless Steel, Aluminum
.45 ACP Pistol 3" 11/15/2003
Fabrique Nationale FNP-9 / Steel, Polymer 9 mm Pistol 4" 11/13/2003
Fabrique Nationale HP-MKIII "S" SFS (Matte
Black) / Steel
.40 S&W Pistol 4.6" 11/13/2003
Phoenix Arms HP25A (Nickel) / Steel, Zin .25 ACP Pistol 3" 11/7/2003
Smith & Wesson 329-1 / Alloy, Titanium,
Stainless Steel
.44 Magnum Revolver 3" 11/7/2003
Smith & Wesson 625-10 / Alloy, Stainless
Steel
.45 ACP Revolver 2" 11/7/2003
Smith & Wesson 647-1 / Stainless Steel .17 HMR Revolver 12" 11/7/2003
Kimber Eclipse Pro II / Stainless
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 4" 11/6/2003
Kimber Stainless II / Stainless Steel .45 ACP Pistol 5" 11/6/2003
Browning H.P. Vigilante / Steel .40 S&W Pistol 4.66" 10/24/2003
Kimber Custom TLE/RL II / Blue
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/22/2003
Kahr Arms KP9094A / Stainless Steel,
Polymer
9 mm Pistol 3.5" 10/15/2003
Kahr Arms KP9094NA / Stainless
Steel, Polymer
9 mm Pistol 3.5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Concept I (1.5" Group) /
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
UPDATED 11/14/2003 2:36:20 PM Page 1 of 2
Make Model Caliber Type
Barrel
Length Date Added
Les Baer Concept II (1.5" Group) /
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Custom Carry (1.5" Group)
/ Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer PPC Distinguished (1.5"
Group) / Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Premier II (1.5" Group) /
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer S.R.P. (1.5" Group) / Steel .45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Super Tack (1.5" Group) /
Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Thunder Ranch (1.5"
Group) / Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
Les Baer Ultimate Master Combat
(1.5" Group) / Steel
.45 ACP Pistol 5" 10/15/2003
UPDATED 11/14/2003 2:36:21 PM Page 2 of 2
 

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I have plenty of experience with both XSE's and NRM Commanders.

I see no particular reason to get an XSE, the NRM pictured below does everything I want it to do. Very accurate, 100% reliable, no hammer bite.

All for $600 brand new.

The ONLY things I have done to it, is add some Wilson mags and a Wilson checkered front strap add-on. I have no plans to do anything else to it. No need............

 

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Colt 04091U / Stainless Steel .45 ACP Pistol 4.25" 11/15/2003
I stand corrected and I like it. That is great news for the Ca. crowd. FYI, I have a 11 month old xse commander that is awesome.:)
 

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Roboshred: Glad to know I made you smile with the news from the DOJ. Of course, they could change their minds any minute -- fatalist that I am.

RogerC; That is one nifty piece of hardware you got there. That's a perfect photo of a perfect firearm. I'm a fan of stainless myself. Either way though --- you've posted a wonderful ad for the Commander Blue.

I'm still on the fence about which way to go -- XSE or Commander. Both seem like fine guns.
 

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Hammer what?

By the way --- what is hammer bite?

I am well acquainted with M1-Thumb :bawling: .

But hammer bite is an experience I have never had.
 

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Totally satisfied with my ORM 1991 series Commander. Put on an ambidetrous safety and walnut grips. I'd happily get another one just like it, but I'd do the NRM this time.

Got the lightweight XSE commander for my wife. She's happy. I can't really tell much shooting difference between the steel and aluminum frame, but it feels much lighter.
 
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