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Anyone know if there are any conversions for the Colt Defender .45 to double action or DAO? I know its a silly question considering its a 1911, but I didnt do my homework before I bought it, and now I dont feel comfortable carrying cocked and locked.

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I don't know of any DA or DAO conversions, but there is a new type of conversion kit from Cylinder and Slide that is called a "Safety Fast System" that allows you to carry with a round chambered and the hammer down. When you release the safety, the hammer springs back to cocked, so you've got a SA pull with a DA kind of concept.

I'm not an expert on this by any stretch, so there may be other DA conversions out there. This is just the only thing I know about.

Their web site is http://www.cylinder-slide.com/ and you want to look at the S.F.S. section.

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krathis, many new 1911 users go through a short period where the "cocked hammer" makes them nervous. As with many things in life, a little knowledge and experience will soon change the way you look at "cocked and locked".

Fortunately for you, you already have the best 1911 in terms of safety of carry - in many ways the safest pistol available, period. All the Series 80 Colts (and Para Ord, too) are as safe as you can make a practical firearm. The original 1911 itself was actually quite safe, if everything was in good repair, not worn, and parts were properly made of good material, hardness, etc. But, as you have observed, carrying "cocked and locked" still made a lot of people nervous - notably the US Army, who forbade the practice and mandated carry with an empty chamber. This unfortunate (and mistaken) perception also prevented the 1911 from becoming the dominant handgun in US police work and general civilian use that it could have been fifty years ago through today. Police chiefs avoided letting their officers carry the 1911 for obvious reasons - they didn't understand it, and it might make the public nervous. I know - I had a Chief who made me carry my first Series 70 for six months "cocked and locked" but chamber empty before I convinced him the hammer wasn't going to let go on it's own! I had to carry it in a holster with a block strap before he finally relented.

Colt's first design for a "firing pin safety" to counter all this concern was patented in 1937 as the "Schwartz Lock", and a couple of thousand guns were produced with the device just before World War II intervened. The military saw no need for making the gun safer - just carry it with the chamber empty, recruit! Besides, millions of weapons were needed, and anything not absolutely essential was sidelined "for the duration" to speed production. The "Schwartz Lock" is now reappearing in the Kimber "Series II" 1911s. It is slightly inferior to the Series 80 in that just gripping the gun deactivates it, where the Series 80 does not deactivate until near the end of your trigger squeeze. "Safe until you mean it."

Rest assured that your new Defender - (assuming proper assembly and factory tolerances of course) can NOT fire unless you:

1.) Take off the thumb safety.
2.) Depress the grip safety by gripping the piece.
3.) Pull the trigger all the way to sear release.

You should note that there are NO modern handgun designs of any consequence that do not incorporate some kind of firing pin safety. Colt was a little too far ahead of it's time on this one - but we didn't use to use seat belts or smoke detectors either!

Choose a holster that blocks all access to the trigger, and one with a hammer block strap if that helps it "feel better". Put all your live ammo in another room and practice presentations for 15 minutes two or three times a week, wiping the safety, off, etc, from the leather to gain that instinctive "muscle memory" that makes a properly trained 1911 user so quick and deadly, and this will ad to your comfort level. But nothing else you can use is any safer than a Series 80 Colt. And cocked and locked makes you safer another way - you'll hit where you aim, with the first shot - unlike the DAO's "difficult to shoot accurately" triggers.

Warmly, Col. Colt

"Beware of Counterfeits and Patent Infringements"
 

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Answer:

A) Get a different gun

B) What Col. Colt said.

C) D&L Sports makes a trigger conversion for this gun, which makes it more Glock like, and thus somewhat safer, though it is still an SA trigger. I plan to get a 6 pound job on either my Government Model, or my much dreamt of High Power. I think it is a good way to scare off greedy lawyers, plus it is safer under high stress.

Hope this helps,
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I have the SFS system in a Browning I'm selling, it's not a bad system, but it's purely for "looks".
The gun is as good as cocked, but the hammer is forward, when you flip the safety down, the hammer cocks.
Push the hammer forward, the safety goes on.
(you can't push the safety on by any other method than pushing the hammer)
 

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Thanks for the replies. You get a lot of valuable information from reading these boards. I did try out the Para LDA and thought it was beatiful, but found the trigger to be waaay too light.

Maybe I'm just being too paranoid and need to try it out for a while.

-Bob
 

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As always, make sure the gun is unloaded and then try this.
Cock the hammer and engage the thumb safety.
Grip the gun in a manner so that the grip safety is not disengaged. Try to pull the trigger.. It won't fire.
Grip the gun properly so that the grips safety is squeezed in , but don't disengage the thumb safety. Try to pull the trigger. It won't fire.
Grip the gun properly, disengage the thumb safety but don't touch the trigger. It won't fire.

It takes 3 distinctive actions plus engaging the brain to make a 1911 fire.

Try this exercise several times, and see if you don't learn to trust the gun.
 

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Col. Colt nailed it all.
My 1911 stays cocked and locked even when not in use,as trying to just put the hammer down without fully unloading the gun first isnt safe.
Wanna feel unsafe,carry a Glock. Its still 100% safe to carry chambered.
My XDs .45 has a grip safety which helps my nerves when reholstering.
Imo the series 80 1911 is the safest gun to carry cocked and locked like any gun should be carried. DA just gives you a long trigger pull,nothing else.
 

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As always, make sure the gun is unloaded and then try this.
Cock the hammer and engage the thumb safety.
Grip the gun in a manner so that the grip safety is not disengaged. Try to pull the trigger.. It won't fire.
Grip the gun properly so that the grips safety is squeezed in , but don't disengage the thumb safety. Try to pull the trigger. It won't fire.
Grip the gun properly, disengage the thumb safety but don't touch the trigger. It won't fire.

It takes 3 distinctive actions plus engaging the brain to make a 1911 fire.

Try this exercise several times, and see if you don't learn to trust the gun.
Iggy is right. Get accustomed to it that way, then carry cocked and locked in a holster that covers the trigger.

It's as safe and secure as a pistol can be.
 

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Wow, a 16 year old post raised from the dead!

But yes, cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911.
 

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I always get a kick out of people when they say DO YOU KNOW YOUR GUN IS COCKED? What are you doing? They walk away from you like you have the plague. Funny stuff.
 

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I always get a kick out of people when they say DO YOU KNOW YOUR GUN IS COCKED? What are you doing? They walk away from you like you have the plague. Funny stuff.
I just say "It wouldn't be much use if it wasn't".:scratch:

I wonder if the OP ever got over his fear, or if he decided a Glock was safer, or joined greenpeace.
 

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L W Seecamp CO. offered DA Conversion & converted
some 2,000+ 1911s w/gunsmithing services

I had a Combat Commander and considered the DA Seecamp Conv.
but didn't do it. So I have no idea of what the triggerr pull was like.

Randall
 
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