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Every cop is different. When i was a cop years and years ago, barring some other reason to, i wouldnt hassle you about it beyond telling you to be better about remembering it next time. Life is busy, people forget things. Its human.

The problem is a lot of cops are under the impression that arresting John Q Public with a pistol is the same as getting a felon in possession, and the Sgt’s stat book back at the station doesnt differentiate one gun arrest from another. Its also easier to cruise the ‘burbs pulling BS traffic stops than it is getting into the grit of a city where the crime actually is and you have to actually do police work.

As much as id like to say youre fine, it all comes down to the cop that has you.

I live in Indiana so, this might be a question for a Indiana LEO.

Say I leave home and I forget my wallet, which I did just Friday. I'm driving and carrying a firearm.

If I was to get pulled over, for any reason, would a picture of my drivers license and gun permit on my phone be acceptable?

I realize it's supposed to be in my possession but, would it be acceptable?

I took pictures of my registration and have my insurance cards on my phone and it made me wonder.
 

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If you’re with it enough to remember your gun......remember your wallet.

Technically speaking, no, this isn’t a boarding pass at the airport, you could easily be cited for not having them.

Technically, in some states, you could end up losing that particular weapon if things weren’t going well.
Not necessarily true. I walk around my house and around my property all the time with my gun and no wallet.

I always remember my gun but, the wallet isn't always necessary.
 

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Not necessarily true. I walk around my house and around my property all the time with my gun and no wallet.

I always remember my gun but, the wallet isn't always necessary.


So, have you been able to determine what the State of Indiana could do to you if you have your gun and don't have your proper identification with you? Just curious as to what you might be risking. You know you just happen to come across that one cop that goes by the book for some silly reason and seems to believe that you should be responsible enough to remember your wallet and proper ID.
 

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I can't offer any advice but thought I'd mention that in Georgia, usually on drivers license they ask name, DOB and address and run it manually. Luckily I Know my DLN by memory as I do my debit card number lol. As for carry permit, well our vehicles are considered an extension of our home therefore no permit required to carry loaded in your personal vehicle. And as for on person.....well thank God were in a "free" state. By law the LEO can NOT ask you if you have a permit to conceal carry. Unless you have to use it in self defense. Then you best have one. With all that said ....upon a traffic stop or road check...I hand my driver's license and politely say "good morning/afternoon officer, just for clarity I'm carrying or have a firearm in my console how should I proceed? Usually it's "thanks for telling me. Then goes on about his stop/license check and I'm on my way. I've had one State patrol to ask to hold it while he conducted his "warning" cleared the weapon ran serial number and handed the cleared weapon with the full magazine and said have a great day...nice 1911 by the way.
 

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If you’re with it enough to remember your gun......remember your wallet.

Technically speaking, no, this isn’t a boarding pass at the airport, you could easily be cited for not having them.

Technically, in some states, you could end up losing that particular weapon if things weren’t going well.
Not necessarily true. I walk around my house and around my property all the time with my gun and no wallet.

I always remember my gun but, the wallet isn't always necessary.
Bad analogy. I don’t think being armed on your property is remotely the same as the scenario originally described..
 

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The problem is a lot of cops are under the impression that arresting John Q Public with a pistol is the same as getting a felon in possession, and the Sgt’s stat book back at the station doesnt differentiate one gun arrest from another. Its also easier to cruise the ‘burbs pulling BS traffic stops than it is getting into the grit of a city where the crime actually is and you have to actually do police work.

As much as id like to say youre fine, it all comes down to the cop that has you.
OP was advised to either look up his States Statutes online or call the SAs Office to determine if he had to have his CCW license in physical possession....


I don’t know where YOU worked “ years and years ago,” but I retired from a large Metro Dept. that assigned Patrol sectors inside Zones. My Guys would typically respond to between 25- 40 calls each every 10 hr. Shift.

We had a dedicated Traffic Unit with Motors and AIU traffic homicide Units to chase traffic.

The prior corrupt, incompetent administration ,along with the socialist propaganda media has done nothing but try to destroy and demonize Police. The disrespect common today is disgraceful and unacceptable. Don’t be part of it.
 

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It's just amazing to me the amount of time people will spend on trying to figure out if or how they can get away with not doing it the right way or the time they spend justifying something less instead of just focusing on doing it the way it should be in the first place.

Work arounds or shortcuts have their place. Backups in case something goes wrong may not hurt, but just realize those photos aren't going to work in all cases.
 

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There are plenty of cops doing the right thing that dont get wrapped around the axle about petty stuff. There are also plenty that do. It comes down to who the cop is that has you in the moment. That remains a fact.

I don’t know where YOU worked “ years and years ago,” but I retired from a large Metro Dept.
That. Just....wow. I guess since youre curious, i did 6 years in a major metropolitan PD on the east coast. I left that, went to the military and have spent the last 10 years in special operations as both an assaulter and a sniper.

Don’t be a part of it
You dont get to tell me what opinions to hold, or how or if I express them.

Enjoy retirement.
 

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There are plenty of cops doing the right thing that dont get wrapped around the axle about petty stuff. There are also plenty that do. It comes down to who the cop is that has you in the moment. That remains a fact.



That. Just....wow. I guess since youre curious, i did 6 years in a major metropolitan PD on the east coast. I left that, went to the military and have spent the last 10 years in special operations as both an assaulter and a sniper.



You dont get to tell me what opinions to hold, or how or if I express them.

Enjoy retirement.[/QUOTE



I was referring to your use of the word “ cop” which originated in England and is considered derogatory and disrespectful by many.

No One was trying to tell you anything about your opinions or how to express them, I pointed out that Police are assigned Patrol zones and don’t get to pick where they go or the calls they have to handle.

Thank you for your Service. Stay Safe.
 

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I live in Indiana so, this might be a question for a Indiana LEO.

Say I leave home and I forget my wallet, which I did just Friday. I'm driving and carrying a firearm.

If I was to get pulled over, for any reason, would a picture of my drivers license and gun permit on my phone be acceptable?

I realize it's supposed to be in my possession but, would it be acceptable?

I took pictures of my registration and have my insurance cards on my phone and it made me wonder.
Every time I have forgotten my wallet, I have gone back home to get it. It is that important to me. However, I have only forgotten it about 2 times since I have had a carry permit which has been over 20 years approximate.
I realize if you have gone about 10 miles or more or whatever, it isn't or may not be practical to go back and get it.
I believe the answer to your question is what others have said above. It's up to the individual officer if the pictures of them are acceptable. If I was an officer, though, what I would think is: "sure he forgot his wallet. Does he think I'm lame?"
 

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Bad analogy. I don’t think being armed on your property is remotely the same as the scenario originally described..
I was just making note that, when I'm at home, I don't carry my wallet with me.

I walk back and forth from my house to my detached garage, (my man cave, about a 100' behind the house) carrying a gun, without my wallet, I also cut my grass with a pistol in a holster attached to the tractor, without my wallet.

The point I'm trying to make is, I don't always pick up my wallet when I pick up my pistol.

I was just asking, if I inadvertently forget my wallet, (I hardly ever do), and I'm on the street, would a phone picture be acceptable?
 

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Wow, that’s quite a reach. I’m about as far from perfect as it gets......but in almost 50 years of carrying a gun, I’ve not made that move.

Nope, my ID is next to whatever gun I’m carrying, next to the keys. Too many years with a system I found works for me.

Keys get touched last in the scenario you’re describing. Sorry, ain’t that hard.
Ha! It's like you only read part of the post... not a reach and not a hypothetical. But that's OK, saying you aren't perfect and then saying you could never make a similar mistake, says enough.

For the record, I wasn't defending the practice of not carrying ID/LTC/permit /Ect..... but the reality is that people do sometimes end up out of the house without their wallet, (whether forgetful or by rare unforeseen accidents/circumstances) as evidenced by the posts in this very thread.
 

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Bad analogy. I don’t think being armed on your property is remotely the same as the scenario originally described..
I was just making note that, when I'm at home, I don't carry my wallet with me.

I walk back and forth from my house to my detached garage, (my man cave, about a 100' behind the house) carrying a gun, without my wallet, I also cut my grass with a pistol in a holster attached to the tractor, without my wallet.

The point I'm trying to make is, I don't always pick up my wallet when I pick up my pistol.

I was just asking, if I inadvertently forget my wallet, (I hardly ever do), and I'm on the street, would a phone picture be acceptable?
Got it, thanks! I’m with you......around the house/yard/property I’m not likely to have my wallet either......but my keys are next to or on top of my wallet. So if I ‘gotta run’, I’m pretty well scooping both with one hand.

As to how well will an image of my license work? I’d personally say it likely could, and don’t think it could hurt.

All other things being fine with regard to why you’re talking with an officer at that point, I’d imagine not actually having a valid lic in your possession wouldn’t have been a priority to me.
 

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Wow, that’s quite a reach. I’m about as far from perfect as it gets......but in almost 50 years of carrying a gun, I’ve not made that move.

Nope, my ID is next to whatever gun I’m carrying, next to the keys. Too many years with a system I found works for me.

Keys get touched last in the scenario you’re describing. Sorry, ain’t that hard.
Ha! It's like you only read part of the post... not a reach and not a hypothetical. But that's OK, saying you aren't perfect and then saying you could never make a similar mistake, says enough.

For the record, I wasn't defending the practice of not carrying ID/LTC/permit /Ect..... but the reality is that people do sometimes end up out of the house without their wallet, (whether forgetful or by rare unforeseen accidents/circumstances) as evidenced by the posts in this very thread.
Not sure how you have such trouble understanding plain English, but also don’t care enough to play your game.

Have a great day. Remember to load your gun and grab your wallet before going out.
 

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Not sure how you have such trouble understanding plain English, but also don’t care enough to play your game.

Have a great day. Remember to load your gun and grab your wallet before going out.
Yep, I had the same thought... clearly a miscommunication somewhere.

Good day.
 
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