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Driver's License & Gun Permit

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#1 ·
I live in Indiana so, this might be a question for a Indiana LEO.

Say I leave home and I forget my wallet, which I did just Friday. I'm driving and carrying a firearm.

If I was to get pulled over, for any reason, would a picture of my drivers license and gun permit on my phone be acceptable?

I realize it's supposed to be in my possession but, would it be acceptable?

I took pictures of my registration and have my insurance cards on my phone and it made me wonder.
 
#2 ·
Probably a whole lot better than the "Hi, officer, I'm your daily idiot who left his wallet home!" response.

I memorized my DL #, because I would occasionally forget my wallet while I was driving.
Some of the cops were impressed I knew the number offhand, and I never got a ticket,
when I provided the license information. So it may not help to have pictures, but it sure won't hurt to take a few seconds to put the pictures in your phone.
 
#4 ·
If you’re with it enough to remember your gun......remember your wallet.

Technically speaking, no, this isn’t a boarding pass at the airport, you could easily be cited for not having them.

Technically, in some states, you could end up losing that particular weapon if things weren’t going well.
 
#15 ·
If you’re with it enough to remember your gun......remember your wallet.
Consider yourself fortunate, apparently it hasn't happened to you.

You've just showered and are getting dressed.... almost done, the gun goes on and as you are donning your spare mage the phone rings. There's been an accident and you rush out the door... wallet still on your dresser because you were seconds from grabbing it when something more important distracted you.

$h!t happens sometimes, even to the perfect people that "never forget."
 
#5 ·
I'm sure it all depends on the arresting officer's attitude and your attitude. If the officer just came from a "5hit" call you could be toast.

By running your license and registration the officer will know who they are dealing with and may make their determination based on the totality of the stop.

All the best in 2020,
 
#8 · (Edited)
Pics of your driver's license & carry permit in your cell phone isn't a good idea. If your phone is lost or stolen, Your name and date of birth is available to the finder/thief - and in some jurisdictions, your SSN is also on the DL, providing a Bad Guy with a complete DIY kit for identity theft.

I think most of us remember our SSN, and that, with your name, may enable the Officer to check you out sufficiently. I'd like to see a comment on this from a LEO.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Retired after 34 years, so as I said in #4 here, the law is pretty plain.

You are required to have your DL in your possession while driving. There may be a state or three that can overlook that, depending on why you were stopped, but why bother?

Personally, if you’re paying attention enough to arm yourself, and turn the ignition key.....how difficult is it to add you license and permit to your ‘stuff’?
 
#13 ·
Personally.

I generally take the documents that I am required to have with me, with me. This has worked well so far.
 
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#20 ·
As I pocket carry in the home and of course go to the mail box I photo copied drivers license and CCW back to back, laminated - then stuck it in my 'Sticky' holster with my new S/A Hellcat. It just happens thats also my EDC out of the house.

Grant
 
#21 ·
Every cop is different. When i was a cop years and years ago, barring some other reason to, i wouldnt hassle you about it beyond telling you to be better about remembering it next time. Life is busy, people forget things. Its human.

The problem is a lot of cops are under the impression that arresting John Q Public with a pistol is the same as getting a felon in possession, and the Sgt’s stat book back at the station doesnt differentiate one gun arrest from another. Its also easier to cruise the ‘burbs pulling BS traffic stops than it is getting into the grit of a city where the crime actually is and you have to actually do police work.

As much as id like to say youre fine, it all comes down to the cop that has you.
 
#26 ·
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The problem is a lot of cops are under the impression that arresting John Q Public with a pistol is the same as getting a felon in possession, and the Sgt’s stat book back at the station doesnt differentiate one gun arrest from another. Its also easier to cruise the ‘burbs pulling BS traffic stops than it is getting into the grit of a city where the crime actually is and you have to actually do police work.

As much as id like to say youre fine, it all comes down to the cop that has you.
OP was advised to either look up his States Statutes online or call the SAs Office to determine if he had to have his CCW license in physical possession....


I don’t know where YOU worked “ years and years ago,” but I retired from a large Metro Dept. that assigned Patrol sectors inside Zones. My Guys would typically respond to between 25- 40 calls each every 10 hr. Shift.

We had a dedicated Traffic Unit with Motors and AIU traffic homicide Units to chase traffic.

The prior corrupt, incompetent administration ,along with the socialist propaganda media has done nothing but try to destroy and demonize Police. The disrespect common today is disgraceful and unacceptable. Don’t be part of it.
 
#24 ·
I can't offer any advice but thought I'd mention that in Georgia, usually on drivers license they ask name, DOB and address and run it manually. Luckily I Know my DLN by memory as I do my debit card number lol. As for carry permit, well our vehicles are considered an extension of our home therefore no permit required to carry loaded in your personal vehicle. And as for on person.....well thank God were in a "free" state. By law the LEO can NOT ask you if you have a permit to conceal carry. Unless you have to use it in self defense. Then you best have one. With all that said ....upon a traffic stop or road check...I hand my driver's license and politely say "good morning/afternoon officer, just for clarity I'm carrying or have a firearm in my console how should I proceed? Usually it's "thanks for telling me. Then goes on about his stop/license check and I'm on my way. I've had one State patrol to ask to hold it while he conducted his "warning" cleared the weapon ran serial number and handed the cleared weapon with the full magazine and said have a great day...nice 1911 by the way.
 
#27 ·
It's just amazing to me the amount of time people will spend on trying to figure out if or how they can get away with not doing it the right way or the time they spend justifying something less instead of just focusing on doing it the way it should be in the first place.

Work arounds or shortcuts have their place. Backups in case something goes wrong may not hurt, but just realize those photos aren't going to work in all cases.
 
#28 · (Edited)
There are plenty of cops doing the right thing that dont get wrapped around the axle about petty stuff. There are also plenty that do. It comes down to who the cop is that has you in the moment. That remains a fact.

I don’t know where YOU worked “ years and years ago,” but I retired from a large Metro Dept.
That. Just....wow. I guess since youre curious, i did 6 years in a major metropolitan PD on the east coast. I left that, went to the military and have spent the last 10 years in special operations as both an assaulter and a sniper.

Don’t be a part of it
You dont get to tell me what opinions to hold, or how or if I express them.

Enjoy retirement.
 
#29 · (Edited)
There are plenty of cops doing the right thing that dont get wrapped around the axle about petty stuff. There are also plenty that do. It comes down to who the cop is that has you in the moment. That remains a fact.



That. Just....wow. I guess since youre curious, i did 6 years in a major metropolitan PD on the east coast. I left that, went to the military and have spent the last 10 years in special operations as both an assaulter and a sniper.



You dont get to tell me what opinions to hold, or how or if I express them.

Enjoy retirement.[/QUOTE



I was referring to your use of the word “ cop” which originated in England and is considered derogatory and disrespectful by many.

No One was trying to tell you anything about your opinions or how to express them, I pointed out that Police are assigned Patrol zones and don’t get to pick where they go or the calls they have to handle.

Thank you for your Service. Stay Safe.
 
#30 ·
Every time I have forgotten my wallet, I have gone back home to get it. It is that important to me. However, I have only forgotten it about 2 times since I have had a carry permit which has been over 20 years approximate.
I realize if you have gone about 10 miles or more or whatever, it isn't or may not be practical to go back and get it.
I believe the answer to your question is what others have said above. It's up to the individual officer if the pictures of them are acceptable. If I was an officer, though, what I would think is: "sure he forgot his wallet. Does he think I'm lame?"
 
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