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I recently purchased my first DW it’s a Valkyrie in 45. I’ve consistently read everywhere how exceptional the fit is on these guns but without owning any other DW’s I can’t compare. First the machining on my gun is exceptional. No tool marks no burrs no sharp edges and all surfaces are flat parallel and true. Being a retired toolmaker of 40+ years I know good machining when I see it. But this is where it stops. The actual numbers on my gun confuse me because I have no base to compare to. I have .002-.0025 clearance between barrel and bushing. I have the same .002-.0025 between bushing and slide. I have .003-.004 clearance on all dimensions between slide and frame fit. The fit between slide stop pin and lower barrel lugs is good real good. I’m getting.04 of actual upper lug engagement out of a possible.048. Yes it’s actually.008 away from actually making any contact with slide in the vertical lockup. I have researched this in another post and found this is common in any production based gun. My barrel hood is fit very well also with no more than .001 clearance on any given side. My biggest concern is the slide to frame fit. In my opinion it’s quite sloppy. I’m really looking for numbers from other DW owners to see if this is normal or did I get one that slipped through QC. I really appreciate any insight you other DW owners or 1911 owners in general can give me
 

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I've got to admit, I accidentally found this thread as I generally try to stay out of the Dan Wesson sub-forum, but I found it an interesting post.

Since you're fairly new and with just a few posts, I thought I'd read through a few of your other posts to get a background to help explain the thought process that went into this thread.
I really appreciate any insight you other... 1911 owners in general can give me
While I can appreciate a science experiment as much as the next guy, the only insight I can give is to put down the calipers and micrometers and just shoot and enjoy your gun.

I hope the fella's that pay attention to these kind of numbers can pop in and help you out, because I wish you well in your search for knowledge, but I have a handful of firearms and know the clearance numbers on none of them. I just shoot them.
 

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That’s exactly what I want to do. Shoot. I guess my biggest concern is did I get what I paid for. DW is not cheap and from all I’ve read you pay more for the quality. Now like I stated the quality of the machining is there but numbers don’t lie. To be honest I have a rock island that has numbers as good as my DW for a third the price. Now maybe I got lucky with the rock island and maybe I got a DW that slipped through the QC. This is what I’m trying to find out. I really appreciate your input and for that I thank you
 

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Wow, I’m speechless.
I truely don’t know what to say because I don’t know what my clearances are on my Valkyrie. I do know it looks, feels and shoots great, it’s accurate and dependable.
Waiting for others to chime in.
 

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OP, you appear to know enough to measure, but do you know what the measurements mean?

What numbers, precisely, were you expecting? Why do these trouble you?

DWs certainly aren't the cheapest 1911 brand, but they're far from being expensive, comparatively speaking. They're also quite good, but they are production guns and shouldn't be held to the same clearance standards or expectations of upper-tier brands or customs.

Most importantly, it sounds like you haven't put round one downrange. Your numbers will tell less the story of this pistol than good shooting will. Try that first, then you can begin to determine if there's an issue.
 

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I only have one question:




How does it SHOOT ?
The gun shoots great. I’ve put hundreds of rounds through it of all different types of ammo. It does not like steel cased ammo at all but that is no concern really. Out of a precision shooting rest it will average around 3” groups at 25 yds regardless of ammo
 

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OP, you appear to know enough to measure, but do you know what the measurements mean?

What numbers, precisely, were you expecting? Why do these trouble you?

DWs certainly aren't the cheapest 1911 brand, but they're far from being expensive, comparatively speaking. They're also quite good, but they are production guns and shouldn't be held to the same clearance standards or expectations of upper-tier brands or customs.

Most importantly, it sounds like you haven't put round one downrange. Your numbers will tell less the story of this pistol than good shooting will. Try that first, then you can begin to determine if there's an issue.

Ok I’m not sure what you mean by asking do I know what the numbers mean? They are measurements nothing more nothing less. I was also not trying to compare this gun with higher tiered or custom guns although there are many DW owners who would say they are as good and sometimes better. Anything that is built in production has QC and no QC department is 100% If you read my post it clearly stated I don’t know if my guns numbers are good or bad without a baseline for comparison. That’s why I’m here to ask other owners what their guns check so I can be educated and have a baseline for comparison. Also where did you get the assumption that I have not shot this gun? I have put hundreds of rounds through it. The fact of the matter is that is totally irrelevant to the information I’m looking for. I’ll say this again I’m just trying to find out if the measurements on my gun are that what is expected from a quality production gun manufacturer. And your comment (Your numbers will tell less the story of this pistol than good shooting will) makes absolutely no sense at all. Thank you for your comments they are greatly appreciated and welcomed
 

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Certainly nothing to sneeze at! I think DW's are the best 1911 for the money. And I've got some high end ones!
 

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I’ve simply never put my calipers on any of my pistols.


I have no idea what they’d measure. I briefly had a 5” Colt Wiley Clapp that rattled if you shook it. Was 100% reliable, but accuracy wasn’t to my liking. It would be interesting to have that same gun back and compare its measurements to any of my DW guns.....which lock up nice and tight.
 

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How is it when it’s in the lockup position?

As a toolmaker you should be familiar with the term working tolerance.
Maybe you could get a kuhnhausen manual and compare the specs with your numbers

Bob
 

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I've owned several Dan Wessons and the only time I've had a looser slide to frame fit than usual is with a couple of aluminum frame guns. All of my steel framed guns were very good.
 

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For a production 1911, you will not find a better value, higher quality parts, better quality fit and finish than a DW.

DW is not and does not claim to be a semi-custom or custom 1911. Save the measurements above for 1911s $4K and up.

I own 6 DWs. Five are aluminum framed guns. Four are as tight in just about every way as my 6 Wilsons. One is not. The difference between my Wilson's and DWs comes in the fitting and blending of parts; some of which is cosmetic.
 

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For a production 1911, you will not find a better value, higher quality parts, better quality fit and finish than a DW.

DW is not and does not claim to be a semi-custom or custom 1911. Save the measurements above for 1911s $4K and up.

I own 6 DWs. Five are aluminum framed guns. Four are as tight in just about every way as my 6 Wilsons. One is not. The difference between my Wilson's and DWs comes in the fitting and blending of parts; some of which is cosmetic.
 

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Papafluff,, I've read the similar post of yours over in the "Gunsmithing" forum, and decided to take some of the same measurements as you did.
The results I got seem to indicate that my DW was machined to pretty close tolerances, but having never handled nor fired an Ed Brown, or a Wilson, or any other "high-end" gun I can't pass any judgement or comparison.
It's OK,, I like it, it's a nice/smooth pistol that without a doubt will shoot better than I'll ever be able to.
 

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The gun shoots great. I’ve put hundreds of rounds through it of all different types of ammo. It does not like steel cased ammo at all but that is no concern really. Out of a precision shooting rest it will average around 3” groups at 25 yds regardless of ammo

Sounds great.

Reliable & accurate.



I picked up a new DW Valkyrie for $900, they are closing them out at different places, makes the RIA not as much of a value.


Ain't that the truth.

The Valkyrie may be the best deal to be found if one shops around a bit. :rock:




For a production 1911, you will not find a better value, higher quality parts, better quality fit and finish than a DW.

DW is not and does not claim to be a semi-custom or custom 1911. Save the measurements above for 1911s $4K and up.

I own 6 DWs. Five are aluminum framed guns. Four are as tight in just about every way as my 6 Wilsons. One is not. The difference between my Wilson's and DWs comes in the fitting and blending of parts; some of which is cosmetic.

I'm finally beginning to fully understand this.


Took me a while.

With the DW guns, I have a gun with a super feeling trigger, no internals that I want to replace, well fitted, match barrels, nice finishes and so far I'm a fan of the grips that have come on each of them.

The only two changes I've considered were the front sight and addition of checking on an RZ-10. The sight I can manage on my own.
 

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Papafluff,, I've read the similar post of yours over in the "Gunsmithing" forum, and decided to take some of the same measurements as you did.
The results I got seem to indicate that my DW was machined to pretty close tolerances, but having never handled nor fired an Ed Brown, or a Wilson, or any other "high-end" gun I can't pass any judgement or comparison.
It's OK,, I like it, it's a nice/smooth pistol that without a doubt will shoot better than I'll ever be able to.

What measurements did you get. This is what I’m trying to find out?? All I want to know is if my DW measurements are the same as other DW’s or if I got one that on the loose side
 

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What measurements did you get. This is what I’m trying to find out?? All I want to know is if my DW measurements are the same as other DW’s or if I got one that on the loose side
Go back to your thread in the Gunsmithing forum and read my post.
 

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What measurements did you get. This is what I’m trying to find out?? All I want to know is if my DW measurements are the same as other DW’s or if I got one that on the loose side
Go back to your thread in the Gunsmithing forum and read my post.

I went over and read your post. I apologize for not seeing it there I was tired last night and never checked the posts on that thread lol.
If my gun had the numbers your gun has I wouldn’t even be here. As you can see my gun has 2-3 times the clearance’s of yours. This is what I’ve been trying to find out from the start. Thank you for taking the time and providing the information I was seeking. You obviously read my post and understood what I was looking for.
 
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