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He is of the opinion all of this is a massive waste and the results of this overreaction will lead to far greater problems than the virus's is ever capable of. The deaths from this are massively exaggerated and he went into detail how cause of death and covid reporting actually works in the hospitals and how it's inflated to increase revenue since they get paid more from insurance and the government if they have covid patients vs reporting it like they normally would.
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That’s it! Just give us the truth, the real numbers. Not the motorcycle accidents, heart attacks and cancer patients. Take out many of the elective surgeries that could wait and only a few hospitals would be “overflowing” with ICU patients.
 

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I appreciate people providing some facts and experience, not assertions or feels. Especially the day the US rolled over quarter million dead from COVID.

Here is a hint on continued COVID transmission.

Multiple COVID-19 Outbreaks Linked to a Wedding Reception in Rural Maine — August 7–September 14, 2020

To mitigate transmission, persons should avoid large gatherings, practice physical distancing, wear masks, stay home when ill, and self-quarantine after exposure to a person with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection.
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Hmmmm, seems to me that I have seen that poster a few years ago. It was in a doctors office. It was in reference to washing your hands and staying home when you were sick. It was in reference to the regular, “acceptable” casualties of the flu. Try again.....I bet the numbers were the same. Funny how Corona has cured the heart attack. Numbers in the US are extraordinarily low this year....so are strokes.
 

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Hmmmm, seems to me that I have seen that poster a few years ago. It was in a doctors office. It was in reference to washing your hands and staying home when you were sick. It was in reference to the regular, “acceptable” casualties of the flu. Try again.....I bet the numbers were the same. Funny how Corona has cured the heart attack. Numbers in the US are extraordinarily low this year....so are strokes.
Mind offering up an internet citation for the assertion on the COVID impact on heart attacks and stroke death reporting?

I am pretty familiar with the CDC mortality data and that type of data just isn’t readily available in the NVSS. Actually we don’t even have 2019 information publicly released yet. Not disputing that COVID is having the impact per se, just interested if you have any support for the assertion. All the verifiable evidence I have seen is heart disease and cancer are still the national leaders in 2020.
 

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Mind offering up an internet citation for the assertion on the COVID impact on heart attacks and stroke death reporting?

I am pretty familiar with the CDC mortality data and that type of data just isn’t readily available in the NVSS. Actually we don’t even have 2019 information publicly released yet. Not disputing that COVID is having the impact per se, just interested if you have any support for the assertion. All the verifiable evidence I have seen is heart disease and cancer are still the national leaders in 2020.
I'm currently sitting in on a briefing for covid response to the doctors for a major heath provider and they are discussing the real facts right now. I also have access rights to any stats I want and let me tell you this whole thing is being overblown. The head lab rat is currently going over that most masks will not work for frontline workers and is reminding people to wear real ppe not the stuff most use
 

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Mind offering up an internet citation for the assertion on the COVID impact on heart attacks and stroke death reporting?

I am pretty familiar with the CDC mortality data and that type of data just isn’t readily available in the NVSS. Actually we don’t even have 2019 information publicly released yet. Not disputing that COVID is having the impact per se, just interested if you have any support for the assertion. All the verifiable evidence I have seen is heart disease and cancer are still the national leaders in 2020.
Perhaps try here.... https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6
There's this new thing called Google. It takes two seconds to see what has contributed to the death number by state, by week, even into 2020. Now compare that to 2018 numbers.....smell a rat yet? Or shall we just blame that on the new criteria for classifying cause of death?
 

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Holy Christ guys you would not like what I am hearing in this briefing. Damn this vaccine is risky and rushed and requires insanely narrow windows for transport and use and that's not even all of it

Best line of the evening so far "remember you don't have to be an expert, just keep having your patients follow guidelines and remind them of the risks. You don't need to have the answers for (long list of likely patient questions) just have them follow the guidelines"

NOPE WE JUST TOPPED IT. "Yearly booster shots are likely to be a necessary step to ensure immunity" right from the head lab rat in his closing statements
 
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Guideline #1 Wrap mask tightly around your neck.
#2 Stand on your head and shoot sparks out your arse......
 

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Perhaps try here.... https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6
There's this new thing called Google. It takes two seconds to see what has contributed to the death number by state, by week, even into 2020. Now compare that to 2018 numbers.....smell a rat yet? Or shall we just blame that on the new criteria for classifying cause of death?
Great, but that isn’t even close to what to you are stating.
That is provisional medical billing coding from CMS mostly, which was so reportedly so inaccurate, and not based on NVSS-submitted death certificates.

Again, any actual evidence? Maybe a screen shot? Maybe a peer reviewed article?

I have seen some close examples in British 2020 data, but there is no official US NVSS morbidity/death data from 2019, let alone 2020 To cite.

As for vaccine briefs, we have been discussing in detail for three months. My rural town of 5000 can come up with almost a dozen -80C freezers in a 10-mile radius (Vet clinics...). We have seen the Moderna vaccine storage conditions change twice, for the better, in the last month. It is only a little more complex than most vaccines, even Pfizer. Adults have done this before and know how to handle.
 

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I think you just answered the big question. Since these numbers are “provisional” (😆 from 2019), just exactly who is it that gets to re-classify all of them conveniently into the little narrative boxes that they will eventually end up in?? That’s right......and you believe that crap? Garbage in garbage out.......
 

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In the US, the question comes down to who do you want determining cause of death? A $12/hr billing clerk or an MD? That is the difference - the difference in law and difference in the data. With each state having different laws on death recording, death investigations, etc. the data normalization takes a long while I guess.

Anecdotally, a lot of old guys and a number of middle age folks I know are dying this year, well beyond a ”normal” year. Why is there so much invested in downplaying a marked change in death rates?

Just today, I did run across the article on the British death data. Basically they seem to be able to get their legally binding level of record completed in roughly a week in their bureaucracy. The Eurosurveillance study is a pretty good comparison of 2015-2020 death rates, including time series by age groups. Likely a pretty good proxy for the US, except right now, the UK’s National new COVID a case rate is roughly 2x North Dakota, the US’s hardest hit state - Eurosurveillance | All-cause excess mortality observed by age group and regions in the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic in England

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And Italy would show worse. Multi-generational living on top of each other etc.....
The left has the nerve to say that the US is Trumps fault. Like any of them had an answer.
No one said that there were not any more US deaths as a result of the virus. Most have said the new “system” of classifying the cause of death coupled with the fact that there is government compensation for calling the cause Covid has way overblown the truthful numbers. Death by overdose has skyrocketed. Suicides that no one wants to talk about have doubled. There are tons of things involved that Covid influenced. That does not make Covid the “cause”. People are the cause, and most of the nightmare is caused in Democrat run cities where they basically sent their populations to the gas chamber by shutting down their businesses and freaking everyone out. People are the cause.
 

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People who believe in "democracy" are the cause and they're going to run this thing into the ground. None of them seem the slightest bit concerned that they may destroy the Republic in the process. Cause "Democracy". Or "Socialism". Or something.......
 

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I wonder how it’s gonna go over when Joe makes nicey nice with China just to spite Trump and those folks out of work because of the virus wont have a job to go back to??
How many jobs given back to the commies will it take.......
 
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