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All Wolff springs

Full sized .45 18.5 lb
Full sized 10mm 20.0 lb
Full sized .40 S&W 16.0 lb
Full sized 9mm 10.0 lb

Commander .45 20.0 lb
Commander 10mm 22.0 lb
Commander 9mm 12.0 lb

These are all standard springs. No variable springs.

Full sized mainsprings 18.5 lb

Bobtail mainsprings 23 lb

Firing pin springs
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This might be a dumb question, but I'm by no means a 1911 expert. As far as mainsprings go, would a 9mm Valor Commander (non V-BOB) use the 18.5 or 23lbs spring?

As far as I understand, the Valor Commander has the same main spring housing as the full size, but the slide is the same as the V-BOB.
 

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This might be a dumb question, but I'm by no means a 1911 expert. As far as mainsprings go, would a 9mm Valor Commander (non V-BOB) use the 18.5 or 23lbs spring?

As far as I understand, the Valor Commander has the same main spring housing as the full size, but the slide is the same as the V-BOB.
As I see it, a Valor commander that uses a full size frame and is not bobbed, should use the 18.5# Spring.
 

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I bought a 17# spring from Wilson as well, and it looks like it's almost an half and inch longer than the stock 18.5# spring in my DW Discretion. Recoil almost feels snappier with a slight decrease of muzzle climb.
 

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Specifications from Wolff gun springs:

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"Standard" 1911 RECOIL SPRING WEIGHTS

Government 5” 16#

Commander 4.25” 18#

Bobtail Commander 4.25" 18#

Compact/Officers 4" 22#



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"Standard" 1911 HAMMER SPRINGS (MAIN SPRING)

Government 5” 23#

Commander 4.25” 23#

Bobtail Commander 4.25" 23#

Compact/Officers 4" 23#


Personally, I have had a few "last round" bolt-over-base jams in Commanders when shooting full-power defense loads (Winchester Ranger 230 gr. JHP). This is typically caused by the magazine's inability to quite keep up with the cycle rate (timing) of the shorter-stroke of the 4.25" Commander slide.

To correct the timing on the Commanders, and eliminate these occasional jams in my carry-duty Commanders, with full-power defense loads, I'm using a 16# recoil spring with a flat bottom firing pin stop. This combination of recoil spring (slows slide return to battery), flat-bottom firing pin stop (retards slide recoil speed slightly), and Check-Mate 7-round magazines (which have a very stiff mag spring for very quick presentation of the last round in the magazine) offers total reliability (no bolt-over-base jams) with high power defense loads in the shorter cycling Commander format.

Simply using the Check-Mate 7-round mags alone may also be a perfectly effective solution to this issue. That's a good place to start of you've experienced a bolt-over-base jam with the last round in a magazine.
 

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Keith, what spring weight are you using in your full size 38 Supers? I have a 9mm Specialist I am having a 38 Super barrel fitted and want to make sure I get the correct spring.

Thanks,

Lou
 

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I read the first comment about the spring weights from Kieth and thought Thanks for the info.
Then halfway through the comments I was totally confused with all those different comments.
So now what springs do I need for my 2007 factory standard CBOB shooting regular 45ACP 230gr ball ammo.
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Keith, what is the spring weight for a Guardian .38 super.
 

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Nobody ever answered your very straightforward question------I just got my Guardian in .38 Super, and to me the recoil is fairly fierce, it throws its empties about 20-25 feet, but feeds everything except truncated cone hollow points (again possibly too much forward slide speed). The firing pin stop has nearly a full radius, and might benefit from a much sharper one, but that doesn't answer all the questions for me. No one has answered the question of what recoil spring weight comes in a Guardian from the factory. I feel that might be the place to start. Can anyone tell us the answer? (oh and by the way, this thing is a BEAR to rack for me----I don't have much trouble with my .45s and 9mms)
 

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Sorry, I don't have any info on the .38 Super springs. I did however swap out my factory Razorback recoil spring and mainspring with 23# springs, and it made a big difference in felt recoil with full power 10mm loads to me. I didn't think the 10mm recoil was bad to start with, but the springs really softened it up. I haven't had any reliability issues with either spring setup.

I've also got a FBFPS on order, and I'll experiment with it as well. The factory FPS has a generous radius, and swapping out the springs has already made it significantly more difficult to manipulate the slide by hand. FBFPS will likely make it even more difficult, but I didn't buy my Razorback to sit on the couch and rack the slide. I wanted a workhorse, badass, reliable, heavy hitting, shooter. I'm very pleased with it thus far.
 

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Are the Specialist Commander 9mm guns still sprung with a 12lb recoil? I'll call/email the mothership if need be, just want a solid reference since the original weight table was from 10 years ago. I'd imagine it's still valid.

Mine runs flawless, but I'm adding a Trijicon RMR with a Novak dovetail mount. Added slide mass may require a recoil slight weight change...

Thanks!
 

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It's only a bit more than an OZ. Both my XDm 5.25 9mm with a plate mounted Vortex and my Kimber KHX 5" 9mm with a milled slide and a Burris required no spring weight change from stock.
 

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Actually, the RM06 RMR and Trijicon Novak dovetail mount plate combo add 3oz total slide mass weight.

But, I'm happy to report it ran 250 rounds of Fed 115g flawlessly yesterday with the stock 12lb RC spring!

And yes, the factory spring weight table listed on the first page is still valid as per Keith @ DW!

Thanks,
Jim
 

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I was breaking in my new Specialist .45 earlier this week running Blazer 230gr Brass. I had a few failures to lock back which I blamed on my off hand thumb landing on the slide release shelf. (I do have an issue with that on DW's) I put 100 otherwise trouble free rounds thru it.
Today I was working up a handload to use in an upcoming action pistol match. Had the same problem til the lightbulb went off. The factory 18.5 lb spring is designed for full power defense ammo. My 170PF handloads, (and the Blazers) don't have enough oomph to get the slide all the way back. I switched out to a 16lb. spring and all is now good with the slide stop and I have less muzzle dip and a flatter shooting gun.

Spring weights are not cast in stone is what I'm trying to say.
 

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Spring for Dan wesson patriot external extractor.


I searched everywhere and called dw twice and no one has a clue. Trial and error method worked out eventually. Anyone who needs a new external extractor spring for an earlier dw 1911 can use an m1 garand extractor spring cut to length, works perfectly. Diameter is perfect and spring weight seems correct. 100 rounds no FTEs. Everything that I found on the internet that says to use an s&w e series spring is wrong that spring is double the od of the size needed.

Jeff
 

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Discussion Starter #78 (Edited)
All Wolff springs

Full sized .45 18.5 lb
Full sized 10mm 20.0 lb
Full sized .40 S&W 16.0 lb
Full sized 9mm 10.0 lb

Commander .45 20.0 lb
Commander 10mm 22.0 lb
Commander 9mm 12.0 lb

These are all standard springs. No variable springs.

Full sized mainsprings 18.5 lb

Bobtail mainsprings 23 lb

Firing pin springs
Extra power or Extra, Extra power[/QUOTE]


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Updated 5/13/2019


All Chrome Silicon Recoil Springs
(all weights are approximate, they can vary slightly)

5" & 6" .45 18.0 lb
5" & 6" 10mm 22.0 lb
5" 40 S&W 18.0 lb
5" 38 Super 12.0 lb
5" 9mm 10.0 lb

4.25" .45 20.0 lb
4.25" 10mm 24.0 lb
4.25" 38 Super 14.0 lb
4.25" 9mm 12.0 lb

4" .45 Flat wire 22.0 lb
4" 9mm Flat wire 13.0 lb

3.5" .45 Flat wire 22.0 lb
3.5" 9mm Flat wire 18.0 lb

These are all standard springs. No variable springs.

Full sized mainsprings 18.0 lb

Officer and bobbed mainsprings 23.0 lb

Firing pin springs
Extra power
 

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Discussion Starter #79
We use the same 9mm firing pins in all of our guns.
 

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Let’s try this once more.

What is the DW Recoil spring weight for the Guardian in 38 Super?

Question been asked a few times but no definitive answer.
Thanks
 
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