[77Bronc]

What are the benfits of a full length guide rod in a 1911 style pistol, 4" or 5" barrel? Looking at the design, from a mechanical point of view, it seems the guide rod will help control the spring during compression or axial stability. But then, Mr. Browning did not design the pistol that way.

Comments?

77Bronc

 

[Wit]

The topic has been beaten, supposedly, to death several times. Apparently not. Here is one of them:
http://www.1911forum.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/001036.html

Moderators: Besides banning the WTB/WTS guns topic, I guess FLGR should be next

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[77Bronc]

EXCUSE ME for asking the question!

I did not mean to upset you.

77Bronc

 

[Wit]

77Bronc, my apology if my words sounded so offending. I only meant to point out the sample previous topic where its contents kept going on and on without ending in sight.

Also, my comment was meant to be funny (note the smile legend.) Thks.

 

[Mall Ninja]

77Bronc:

I know Wit didn't mean to offend (not that he needs me to defend him

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There are some topics that are truly flogged to death on the forums ( like best caliber?, Glock vs. 1911?, FLGR or not?) New members are usually guilty, but not always. When you have a question that seems like it may have been posted before, a search of the board will often yield results, and even better, save you a lot of time.

Just a friendly tip. Have fun here... it's a good place to visit.

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The person formerly known as Covert Mission.

 

[shane45-1911]

Originally posted by Wit:
Moderators: Besides banning the WTB/WTS guns topic, I guess FLGR should be next

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Oh Wit, you know I'm this > < close to doing just that!

 

[kbear38S]

Well the topic needs to be discussed. Enlighted forum members know that FLGRs will get you killed and the only reason they exist is to make gunsmiths rich.

 

[77Bronc]

Wit,

My appologies also for the quick come back, I had a long day and the range is closed due to flooding.

I should have reviewed the topics list first before I asked the question. Having been on the Forum for some time now, I look at it everyday, I have not seen the question concerning FLGR, at least in the areas that I have looked. The reason I asked the question is I have a RRA Standard Match on order and when I discussd with RRA the question of FLGR came up. Their top of the line guns have them and I have put an Ed Brown (had to modify to fit) on my Springfield Champion-very few FLGR's out there for a 3.9" BBL. From a mechanical point of view I can see where a FLGR would help, keeping the spring compression in an axial position, but does this really matter because the compression cycle of the spring is captured in the pistol and cannot go anywhere.

Thanks,

77Bronc

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Okay, I will bite. If kbear38S is going to make such a definitive claim without presenting any information to support it, I have to hear more about the topic. Maybe kbear38S or some other "enlightened" member can tell me how a FLGR would get me killed.

This sounds almost as hysterical as a thread posted a few month back (either here or on 1911forum, I think) that using your sights will get you killed.

 

[Wit]

It's time to get out of the closet. I'm one of those who has both FLGR and shock buff in my 1911s. At least FLGR stops the annoying squeaky noise of the compressing spring when I rack the slide.

I've already told my wife to file a lawsuit against FLGR manufacturers if I happened to get killed when using my 1911s.

 

[shane45-1911]

Originally posted by kbear38S:
Well the topic needs to be discussed. Enlighted forum members know that FLGRs will get you killed and the only reason they exist is to make gunsmiths rich.

This is rediculous.

 

[oldcolt]

The only way it would get you killed is if you were looking at the end of it when the owner pulled the trigger (which it not advised under any circumstances).

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[donw]

Since so many are interested in this topic, and many newbies are unaware of the previous discussion of it, why not add a topic devoted just to FLGR's? That way, it's easy to find for those who wish to discuss it.


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Don Williams www.theactionworks.com www.pickagripcom

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Sure, we could add many new topics since they keep coming up time and time again.

There would be the topics of
Cocked and Locked Safe to Carry
Guide rod lengths
9 mm versus .45
ball verus hollow point and EFMJ
pros and cons of night sights
pros and cons of flashlight types and uses
poundage of trigger pull
when to clean and when to detail strip
the Magazine topic would have to have a subtopic on 7 versus 8 rounders
Lubes
Springs
Whining on gun shops, gunsmiths, and slow custom gun makers
Other features topics such as Ambi safeties, front cocking serrations, checkering or other modification to front straps etc.

I am sure there are more, but these topics keep coming up again and again like an ugly ex-spouse who is out of jail and is stalking us!

 

[kbear38S]

Originally posted by shane45-1911:
This is rediculous.

Yes it is and I am not one of the enlightened individuals who believe a full length guide rod will get you killed or make my gunsmith rich. Apparently there are some individuals who are very certain that is the case because whenever somebody asks a FLGR question, one will jump on the thread and post such nonsense. I thought I'd try it to see if I became enlighted. I guess I didn't because I did not remove the FLGRs from any of my guns and I am still alive almost 1/2 day later. (and my gunsmith is not rich)


I guess I forgot to put a smiley with my original post.

 

[kbear38S]

Originally posted by 77Bronc:
Looking at the design, from a mechanical point of view, it seems the guide rod will help control the spring during compression or axial stability. But then, Mr. Browning did not design the pistol that way.

I read a good article once (which when I recounted it on one of these forums, I was thoroughly bashed by the FLGR will get you killed gang), by an engineer for a spring mfg. The crux of the article was that more than anything, the guide rod will enhance the service life of the spring. He did mention that the spring tunnel in a 1911 did restrict the spring fairly effectively and that all in all, it isn't that big of a deal one way or the other.

He did point out that virtually every gun designed since the 1911, uses a guide rod on the recoil spring.

 

[James]

Originally posted by kbear38S:

Yes it is and I am not one of the enlightened individuals who believe a full length guide rod will get you killed or make my gunsmith rich.

I guess I forgot to put a smiley with my original post.

Whew, I was just getting ready to dump a can of whuupazz on you. Glad you clarified that that was humor.

I think I have archived all of these FLGR thingies for you reading pleasure.

77Bronc,

Don't be offended, it is an inside joke that way too much time is devoted to FLGRs. You can probably add "magazines" and "plastic triggers" and "Kimber vs Colt" and "series 80 safety parts" to that list.

carry on