Funny thing overheard at the gun range...

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sar

Discussion Starter · Oct 29, 2001

I live and shot in NYC and on Saturday a married couple was asking about buying a gun. I have lived in NYC (17 years) long enough to spot a NYC democrat and these two fit the bill. Well, you should have heard their reaction when told that they would have to wait 9 to 12 months to get the permit that would allow to purchase a gun. The woman actually asked whoes rule that was. Wonder if they thought about that when they voted last time. I only hope they think about it next election time. The range manager told me that people applying for guns is way up and he gets that response alot. That couple still looked at my NRA hat with a funny look on their way out.

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SMASH45

· #2 · Oct 29, 2001

My NEW inlaws voted Democrat and compare bill to some kind of god, they even convinced my wife to do the same. The other day we heard a quote on Paul Harvey that summed Bill's term in office. They weren't impressed, I think they took it personally. Sometimes I wonder if the recent events have changed how they will vote next time. I know they don't agree with my units recent activation, and I can't convince them that it's for the good of the country. However, my mother-in-law won't fly to Hawaii now for her 25th...

papa g

· #3 · Oct 29, 2001

i hear ya, my mother-in-law, and my wife are the same way. the more gummint intrusion no guns and social welfare programs the happyer they are. they wouldn't even vote for JESUS if he was running for dog catcher as a republican!!!!

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themao

· #4 · Oct 29, 2001

And yet again, this is why I feel that this country is going down the crapper. People decide that they can't make decisions for themselves (being personal protection in this case), but when they want to, they're shocked to learn that they are not allowed or are restricted. Even more frightening, they can never figure out why.

themao

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GI-45

· #5 · Oct 29, 2001

Well, you should have heard their reaction when told that they would have to wait 9 to 12 months to get the permit that would allow to purchase a gun.

Wow, you have to apply for a permit to purchase a gun in NY, and it takes 9 to 12 months?

I honestly did not know that. And I thought it was bad here in CA!

EDIT: Is this requirement for handguns only, or for any firearm?

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Templar333

· #6 · Oct 29, 2001

>Wow, you have to apply for a permit to >purchase a gun in NY, and it takes 9 to >12 months? I honestly did not know >that. And I thought it was bad here in CA!

>EDIT: Is this requirement for handguns >only, or for any firearm?

If I'm not mistaken it's for NYC. The rest of the state doesn't take that long. And it's for handguns. It's different for rifles.

I just moved out of NYC after 13 years. Some years back, I was planning to purchase one but gave up when I was told how long and difficult it was.

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bucksnuffer

· #7 · Oct 29, 2001

My wife says we dont need anymore gun restrictions, we just need to enforce the laws that already exist......I'm gonna give her a big kiss

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ZekeLuvs1911

· #8 · Oct 29, 2001

Well, in NJ just across the wonderful Hudson, we have to first have a firearms permit. This allows you to buy a longarm without any waiting period. However, you needs to have this first to get a handgun permit. The Firearm permit has no expiration although it takes about a month to get approval. The handgun permit requires about 30 days to issue. You must have the aforementioned permit first. Then you have 90 days to buy one handgun per permit. You can apply for as many permits you want at the same time but it costs about $2.00 per permit. The main application is $15.00. After 90 days, you can extend the permit for 90 more days but that is it. You need to start the process over again after that. Not too bad but still crappy to me.

mavrick

· #9 · Oct 29, 2001

I'm here in Pa.. and so far we have it a whole lot better than New York, New Jersey or Kali. You walk into the gunshop, pick out what you want. Do an "instant check" over the phone and if you pass, you get an approval number. You can buy as many firearms, both long guns and handguns as you'd like on that number. Only bad part is, the number is good for only 24 hours. But it's pretty easy to repeat the proccess. The best part about all this is, in Pa, the records for the instant checks stay within the state. They do not go on to the Feds. There is even a bill afoot that if passed, will mandate the State Police to destroy all firearms purchase records 90 days after the sale. Don't know if it'll pass, but even if it doesn't, Pa isn't too bad a state for gunowners, at least so far.

Mavrick

PS. I did forget to mention that there is a form if you buy 2 handguns or more at the same time, that has to be filled out and it goes to either the county sheriff's office or chief of police of your town. But again, as far as I know, nothing goes to the Feds.

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stickshooter

· #10 · Oct 29, 2001

My wife was anti hunting and anti gun when I met her. We had to drive over to Mississippi yesterday to look at a dog and when we crossed the state line I made her pull HER gun out of her purse, unload it, and store the gun and ammo seperate....MS state law. When she finished that task she was quiet for a moment and then said..."I feel naked now!" She carries it everywhere she can now and practices regurlarly. I still can't get her interested in hunting but I'm not pushing that.

HeadHunter

· #11 · Oct 29, 2001

In Georgia, the last free state, we walk into a gunshop, show ccw (which has no training requirement or other bs), and take gun home. No records other than 4473. Municipalities are prohibited by state law from imposing any restrictions on guns.

Sometimes people say Georgia is "backwards", but nowadays being a free man is considered a "backwards" concept, so I consider it a compliment.

I fled here from the Peoples Republic of Chicago in 1985 and have never looked back.

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Claude
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sar

Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 29, 2001

GI-45 - you would not believe the process here. It is not really hard as it is time consuming and frustrating. Yet, when I went to police headquaters for my interview it seemed like I was the only person in the city without a gun and it looked like the bar scene from Star Wars - there shop owners who did not even speak english getting Premise Permits for their stores. I actually over heard the following quote being told to one barely english speaking shop owner: "Just because you have a gun you are not allowed to just shoot someone". Mind you, this was a long time ago when Koch was the mayor.

But my real point is - it is about time that we realize things like restrictive guns exist to make citizens cowards and sheep and keep pouring tax dollars into government because they know better. My .45 gives a much better warm and fuzzy feeling then the fact that I have Hillary looking out for me.

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Rosco Benson

· #13 · Oct 29, 2001

Recent events have caused quite a few people to wake up and smell the coffee, in a political sense. It remains to be seen whether they arise from their slumber or just hit the snooze-bar and go back to sleep.

Rosco

SRF37

· #14 · Oct 29, 2001

I was speaking with a collector with a NY State dealers permit a couple of months ago. If I understood him correctly, the permit to purchase a handgun is roughly equivalent to a carry permit, therefore the loooooooong waiting period.

NJ is a "pain" on the handgun side, but manageable. The State Police are supposed to process applications within 30 days. However, most of the delays seem to be at the local department level getting background checks and paperwork together before the app goes off to Trenton. My experience has been 60-90 days to get a handgun permit. Long guns are available as soon as the NICS reports are phoned in.

BTW, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANY WAITING PERIOD FOR "CRIMINALS" IN THE GARDEN STATE.

173abn

· #15 · Oct 29, 2001

Whats that word I keep hearing in a whisper??? "Infringed"

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Sistema1927

· #16 · Oct 29, 2001

And to think that I get teed off waiting the 3 minutes it takes for a gun dealer to get an "instacheck" clearance on the phone.

Reminder to self: It is a very good thing that you don't live in either NY or CA. Don't ever decide to move to one of these locales.

DaStray

· #17 · Oct 29, 2001

South Carolina is much like Georgia. You walk in and if you have a CCW permit, for a rifle anyway, plop down your money and walk out with it. For a handgun, 5 minute Instacheck and you`re out. Not bad...yet. We still have a bunch of gun-toting good `ole boys in office and I for one, will vote for them next election too.

MuzzleBlast

· #18 · Oct 29, 2001

Originally posted by HeadHunter:
Sometimes people say Georgia is "backwards", but nowadays being a free man is considered a "backwards" concept, so I consider it a compliment.

I heard that! If it is backward to believe in freedom, then I am one backward MF!

MuzzleBlast, in the other last free state, Arkansas.

There are free states north of the Mason-Dixon line, aren't there?

P7

· #19 · Oct 30, 2001

Reminds me of my ex-girlfriend....sweet and beautful but hated guns...then, during the Rodney King riots she called m scared to death as she watched building burn from her window...asked if she could stay with me since she felt safer sicne I was armed...go figure...

Merlin7878

· #20 · Oct 30, 2001

Upstate NY here... here's the scoup for those of us outside NYC (yes there is a NY outside of NYC, believe it or not

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Applications for permits here take about 4-6 months. Mine took about 5. You must pay about $125 (LEO's pay $25 or so I believe), for finger printing (and other misc. stuff). You can apply for either standard permit or concealed carry.

When you go to purchase an additional firearm, you must apply and wait for your ammendment to pass (which takes upto 10 days) and costs $4 (even if you already have a valid NCIC check).

At gunshows, unless you are in the county that issued your permit, it is a waste of time (in my opinion). You would have to pick out your firearm, pay for it, turn the info into your county's office.... wait the 10 days for the "purchase coupon to arrive".... then either drive to the "dealers" shop in the other county (or have him ship it to your FFL) or go to the next show that they are at.

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