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This seemed like the best section to post this.... I hate to be the bearer of bad news...

Seems here in NY a Gun Permit holder shot a police lieutenant. 10NBC news just had a news brief on it early in the evening news.

According to the evening news, the suspect should've been denied a permit, though they have yet to determine exactly where the break down in the process happened. It seems the suspect shouldn't have had a permit, because of a felony conviction in the past along with treatment in a mental facility.

The individual was attempting to fill a fradulent prescription at a pharmacy, and the officer was shot in a shoot out with the individual.

It is sad that this happened. It is individuals such as this that cause gun owners to get a bad rap, especially with the "folks still on the fence" concerning gun control.

To add salt to the wound, the news then went into a update on the shooting in Indiana. Sure adds a lot of confidence to the general public concerning responsible gun ownership!

It would be refreshing to have the media once in awhile show gun ownership in a responsible manner, to help reinforce the public's confidence in us. But of course, that's a pipe dream.

If ya wanna read the brief info on the story from their web page, here is the addy,
http://www.10nbc.com/index.asp?template=item&story_id=718
 

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So how often do these things happen?

The answer is very, very rarely.

Normally in WashingtonNewYorkJersey the criminals just shoot the cops and it doesn't make the news.

More people died on the nation's highways than during the drama in the Indiana shootout. (43K / 365 / 24 = 5 per hour)

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Oh, I agree with you. The catch in my opinion is the general public is not very educated regarding gun violence, etc.

WE know this is a rare instance. Out of the "69,898 licenses were amended in '98 only 3,055 were canceled or revoked" (NY State Police web page).

The general public on the other hand, thanks to mis-information (and gun-control advocates) are a bird of a different feather.

I can't count on one hand the number of times friends/family who know I am addicted (yes I'll admit it
) to guns and often carry - will respond with rhetoric on how it's dangerous and inviting "disaster".

The public will take one instance and blow it up 10 fold.



[This message has been edited by Merlin7878 (edited 12-07-2001).]
 

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The guy got a permit thanks to a breakdown in the process. How does that put law-abiding gun owners ina bad light? If either a permit system or the Brady Law fails to catch someone I certainly won't accept the blame!

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Sadly, Indiana or NY, it puts ALL The responsible gun owners in a bad light.

Remember, the sheep will think, no matter what, that if guns were illegal, NONE of this would happen.

I fly. That's roughly as dangerous as riding a motorcycle...which I don't do (!). Doesn't matter. Most people are so weak, the evening news is scripture. We (responsible gun owners) get penalized no matter what the truth may be.

(rant mode off)

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Originally posted by TCPilot:
Sadly, Indiana or NY, it puts ALL The responsible gun owners in a bad light.

Remember, the sheep will think, no matter what, that if guns were illegal, NONE of this would happen.

I fly. That's roughly as dangerous as riding a motorcycle...which I don't do (!). Doesn't matter. Most people are so weak, the evening news is scripture. We (responsible gun owners) get penalized no matter what the truth may be.

(rant mode off)

/TCP

Couldn't have said it better myself. That's all I meant. I too see it as only a fault in the system, which obviously had negative effects. The general public, though, as well all know, tends to see things of this nature differently.
 

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And the victim is going to sue the counties responsible for issuing the permit...Obviously the perp wouldn't have been armed without the permit, that would be illegal.
 

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I think some of the posts here are going astray, and sound almost like they're condoning the law.

I think many of us live in states that don't have a permit to buy a gun (although gov. permission IS required to buy one from a store).

The "permit system" in question here is wrong and should be abolished.

Somebody here shot a cop. I'm going to say something the media did not. HE did it, HE is responsible, nobody else, and nobody else should be punished as a result.

What a radical idea!!
 

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Melin, your title mimics that of the ill-informed, alarmist media tactics. In my world that is not a permit holder who shot a cop, it's a criminal who shot a cop who illegally obtained a permit.

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Originally posted by Gargoyle:
Melin, your title mimics that of the ill-informed, alarmist media tactics. In my world that is not a permit holder who shot a cop, it's a criminal who shot a cop who illegally obtained a permit.

The problem is, right or wrong, the BG was a permit holder. That is a problem because that is all the media will build their story upon... "A permit holder, today, shot..." And they will not be lying when they say "a permit holder". He had a permit.

Now it would be different if they said "The holder of a permit, gained illegally, today shot..." What's the chance of that?

But the fact is, through somebody's screw up, he was, in fact, a 'permit holder'.

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I think went this all get's cleared that the guy doesn't have a NY permit.......much like the bull**** that was reported about the guy wed. that had an automatic weapon. in GOSHEN IND........pure media hype to sell......remember the media is not fair by nature.......like our grandparents said:beleive half of what you see and nothing that you read........
 

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Would it have made one bit of difference had the guy not been issued a permit?

Such is the stupidity of a system of "permits" etc to carry a concealable item. It seems thus that the only difference would have been that "he was not a permit holder" - and "permit holders" not be embarrassed.

No personal affront intended to "permit holders" - but that whole system is a worthless, expensive affront to reason, logic and the right to self defense.
 

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Originally posted by Gargoyle:
Melin, your title mimics that of the ill-informed, alarmist media tactics. In my world that is not a permit holder who shot a cop, it's a criminal who shot a cop who illegally obtained a permit.

I agree that it a criminal who illegally obtained a permit. My post was not intended to "mimic the ill-informed alarmist media tactics", just to inform folks of this recent event, and it was the most concise "title" I could come up with pending the facts I had/have available. I, as I'm sure most will agree, can easily see how the general public and especially those opposed to "us" having CCW's can and will use this against us. Would it make a difference if the individual hadn't had a permit (and thus possessing his firearm illegally)? In the end.... not really, his unfortunate actions would've been the same. But as far as "our justification" that 99.999999% of CCW's holders are law abiding citizens, those who don't support our RIGHTS will use the .000001% that aren't, against us (which is my greatest concern). There was an obvious flaw in the system. The system itself is not sensible (if you examine the methods different states have for obtaining a permit). Some states you can walk in and basically walk out with a permit, for a little cash, where in others (such as here in NY) it can be a momentous task.
 

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From the article:

Michael Russell was wounded in a shootout at a Pharmacy in Medina on September 4th.
Looks like the story must have been buried (no pun intended) by all of the September 11th madness. I thought that it happened just recently.
 
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