Ed Brown has always been a fan of the ten. There was an article in Handguns Magazine a few months back, featuring four top-of-the-line Brown guns that had been comissioned by one buyer. They were similar, but different, and one, I think was a 10mm. They looked pretty awesome.
Gunsmith for 10mm
I am thinking about having a 10mm done, and, to use a term popularly reoccuring, a 'Best Grade' one at that. Richard Heinie would be my ideal, but his queue is a bit lengthy. Dane Burns is another, and has the virtue of having made the best looking 1911 I have seen, but his waiting list is getting up there as well. Mr Burns speaks highly of Tim Bacus, and he is leading my list right now. Don Williams also seems like one to talk to on virtue of being a nice guy and good smith. I ran across some favourable comments about Victor Tibbets recently as well, though not dealing with 10mm, and as he is close to me (rather, about three hours from my spot of Oklahoma), thought I might talk to him. Anybody know anything about his work? Or have any reccommendations for other excellent gunsmiths who like the 10?
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Why fool with all that?Just buy a Colt Delta Gold Cup and you're there,for less than half the money.
The Colt Delta (Elite) Gold Cup is a helluva pistol. However, it won't compare to what a top smith can do. And it won't be half the money. A DE GC at about $750 compared to a Heinie full house at about $2800.
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"Even the most normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats"
Mencken
You might want to give my friend Scott at SDM Fabricating a call. His work is exceptional and his waiting list is usually in weeks instead of years.
SDMFabricating.com
330-723-3098
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Mike Benedict
Custom Kydex Holsters
Talon Tactical Holsters
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330-723-3098
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Mike Benedict
Custom Kydex Holsters
Talon Tactical Holsters
I've heard nothing but raves about EGW.
http://www.egw-guns.com/
You have quite a list of good choices. If you can stomach the wait I'd lean towards Dane, but only because I have firsthand experience with him. He did alot of work on my Delta Elite and it is fantastic. Since it wasn't a full-house custom job the wait and expense were quite a bit less than you might expect. You can read the write-up on my website:
http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/deltabcp.html
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CastleBravo
The Pit: http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/index.html
http://www.egw-guns.com/
You have quite a list of good choices. If you can stomach the wait I'd lean towards Dane, but only because I have firsthand experience with him. He did alot of work on my Delta Elite and it is fantastic. Since it wasn't a full-house custom job the wait and expense were quite a bit less than you might expect. You can read the write-up on my website:
http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/deltabcp.html
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CastleBravo
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Tim Bacus has built two full house 5" guns for me in the last 2 years and I am very pleased with them. Great prices, excellant work and fair delivery time.
John
John
Les Baer just built me a 10mm Heavyweight Monolith with a 1.5" 50 yard guarantee.
All I can say is "WOW"!
Great gun, handles well and with a 26 lb spring it can take some hot reloads.
Very accurate, at 75 yds, you have no problem nailing clay pigeons in the berm (or at least hitting so close that the 10mm destroys them anyway).
Talk to Baer, and if you are interested in pictures of mine, email me.
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10mm and 357 Sig; the best things since the 38 Super!
All I can say is "WOW"!
Great gun, handles well and with a 26 lb spring it can take some hot reloads.
Very accurate, at 75 yds, you have no problem nailing clay pigeons in the berm (or at least hitting so close that the 10mm destroys them anyway).
Talk to Baer, and if you are interested in pictures of mine, email me.
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10mm and 357 Sig; the best things since the 38 Super!
Hi CB....Originally posted by CastleBravo:
I've heard nothing but raves about EGW.
http://www.egw-guns.com/
You have quite a list of good choices. If you can stomach the wait I'd lean towards Dane, but only because I have firsthand experience with him. He did alot of work on my Delta Elite and it is fantastic. Since it wasn't a full-house custom job the wait and expense were quite a bit less than you might expect. You can read the write-up on my website:
http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/deltabcp.html
When you had your Delta worked on, what barrel did you go with or did you stick with the factory tube? What have you heard about Ed Browns 10mm drop in match barrel with bushing & link?
Regards,
Sam
I believe I said less than half,and,yes,it will compare.I do it often at the range.
Give Danny Williams,The Armory Inc. In Fort Smith, AR a call (501-785-4570). he built me a carry comp out of a standard Delta Elite and it's great. I carried it in Africa last year. He also built me a 1911 in .357 Sig from Caspain parts with an Ed Brown Barrel. He does great work and has a decent turn around time. I find his 1911 work on the par with Wilson,Baer ect.Originally posted by Rocklobster:
I believe I said less than half,and,yes,it will compare.I do it often at the range.
The barrel was a Bar-Sto "semi-drop in" that I ordered earlier and had Dane fit (since it wasn't quite "drop in"
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). It shoots sub-1" groups at 25 yards now.
I don't know anything about Ed Brown barrels.
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I don't know anything about Ed Brown barrels.
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CastleBravo
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There's no Delta Elite Gold Cup.There's the Delta Elite,and the Delta Gold Cup.The main differences are that the Delta Gold Cup comes with the Acro adjustable sight and a lightened trigger.
There's also no magic wand these guys wave over the guns to make them accurate.Anybody that's good with hand tools can do it,for a whole lot less than 3000 bucks.
I spent 200 bucks on a Bar-Sto barrel(gunsmith fit) and less than 100 bucks on some files and other small tools.I also installed a drop-in beavertail safety,to give a little higher grip.
The Delta Gold Cup comes with an excellent trigger pull-no need to give a 'smith 500 bucks to fix it.The rest are just drop-in geegaws to make the gun look pretty.
I've got about 1200 bucks invested in my Delta Gold Cup.With a bench rest,I can touch holes at 25 yds.Off hand,I can shoot 2" groups,with my loads.
These guys make great guns,yes.But they're getting rich off of folks who're scared to dive in and get dirty!
There's also no magic wand these guys wave over the guns to make them accurate.Anybody that's good with hand tools can do it,for a whole lot less than 3000 bucks.
I spent 200 bucks on a Bar-Sto barrel(gunsmith fit) and less than 100 bucks on some files and other small tools.I also installed a drop-in beavertail safety,to give a little higher grip.
The Delta Gold Cup comes with an excellent trigger pull-no need to give a 'smith 500 bucks to fix it.The rest are just drop-in geegaws to make the gun look pretty.
I've got about 1200 bucks invested in my Delta Gold Cup.With a bench rest,I can touch holes at 25 yds.Off hand,I can shoot 2" groups,with my loads.
These guys make great guns,yes.But they're getting rich off of folks who're scared to dive in and get dirty!
Rocklobster...
Boy ,are you going to piss some people off!...Did some 1911 'smith kick you in the ass in the past!...
I can tell you this ...the full time smiths that get their hand dirty because someone doesn't want to get theirs dirty work very hard to make a living. Some have other professions to support their families and do 1911 'smithing because they love the work. They have a huge investment in equipment, and time to learn how to do it right. They share their knowledge here to help all, because restriction of knowledge helps NO ONE! If you can do your own work more power to you, but to insinuate that they are getting rich to someone elses disadvantage is ridiculous. Their customers are paying for a service they can't get anywhere else and are happy to do so. This is capitalism at work...and letting free markets work. If you can't afford to have them do work for you save up till you can like any normal person would. The 'smiths that frequent this forum are the cream of the crop and have learned their trade through countless hours at the bench...tedious work when done right! Some people would rather earn a living doing what they do best and pay others to do what they can't, or don't have time to, or don't want to learn how to...BUT,
"No body here deserves to be fed the oats after they have been processed through the horse!" IMHO You owe every professional 'smith that posts here an apology as well as all the others who contribute their time and knowledge!!!
Boy ,are you going to piss some people off!...Did some 1911 'smith kick you in the ass in the past!...
I can tell you this ...the full time smiths that get their hand dirty because someone doesn't want to get theirs dirty work very hard to make a living. Some have other professions to support their families and do 1911 'smithing because they love the work. They have a huge investment in equipment, and time to learn how to do it right. They share their knowledge here to help all, because restriction of knowledge helps NO ONE! If you can do your own work more power to you, but to insinuate that they are getting rich to someone elses disadvantage is ridiculous. Their customers are paying for a service they can't get anywhere else and are happy to do so. This is capitalism at work...and letting free markets work. If you can't afford to have them do work for you save up till you can like any normal person would. The 'smiths that frequent this forum are the cream of the crop and have learned their trade through countless hours at the bench...tedious work when done right! Some people would rather earn a living doing what they do best and pay others to do what they can't, or don't have time to, or don't want to learn how to...BUT,
"No body here deserves to be fed the oats after they have been processed through the horse!" IMHO You owe every professional 'smith that posts here an apology as well as all the others who contribute their time and knowledge!!!
I have yet to meet a rich gunsmith. Having had an FFL for years, I can tell you that there is not much chance a guy can get rich selling or working on guns.
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Well, Rocklobser, counting what you paid for in tools I *DID* pay less than you to get that Bar-Sto barrel fitted!
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CastleBravo
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CastleBravo
The Pit: http://www.geocities.com/mr_motorhead/index.html
I have a Delta Gold Cup (SS) that I thought I would leave stock.
That lasted on IPSC match and then I began a process of putting a great deal of money into the gun.
What I ended up with is a gun that one friend recently described as "liquid metal." The trigger rivals my custom SV,
the safety clicks on and off with an amazingly solid click, it is incredibly accurate, and a jewel to look at. Best of all it has so many rounds through it that it has sort of merged into one perfect machine- scratches and all.
Was it a fun gun stock? Absolutely. Was it a whole different animal all together after numerous trips to Bilby's shop (he was kind enough to let me do it in stages when cash was available!)- yes.
Having a Colt customized for me was a lot of fun. It becomes your own to a large degree, and the gunsmith's as well. Hopefully you can find a 'smith thats easy to talk to and enjoyable to work with. The end result is worth the time, and if the prices are fair, the money.
Just my 2 cents.
I enjoy my stock Delta almost as much!
Brent
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http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~bchamber/10mm.html
That lasted on IPSC match and then I began a process of putting a great deal of money into the gun.
What I ended up with is a gun that one friend recently described as "liquid metal." The trigger rivals my custom SV,
the safety clicks on and off with an amazingly solid click, it is incredibly accurate, and a jewel to look at. Best of all it has so many rounds through it that it has sort of merged into one perfect machine- scratches and all.
Was it a fun gun stock? Absolutely. Was it a whole different animal all together after numerous trips to Bilby's shop (he was kind enough to let me do it in stages when cash was available!)- yes.
Having a Colt customized for me was a lot of fun. It becomes your own to a large degree, and the gunsmith's as well. Hopefully you can find a 'smith thats easy to talk to and enjoyable to work with. The end result is worth the time, and if the prices are fair, the money.
Just my 2 cents.
I enjoy my stock Delta almost as much!
Brent
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NRA, USPSA, IDPA and MCRGO member
http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~bchamber/10mm.html
As a matter of fact,I do gunsmithing for a living,yes.I make quite a good living-I have to turn away work,because I can't handle it all.
I was simply trying to make the point that you don't have to pay $3000.00 for a $1500.00 gun.
And CastleBravo, old chap,the difference between a "semi-drop-in" and a "gunsmith fit" barrel,at least in Bar-Sto's case, is about 1/2" at 25 yards or so.Nope,you didn't save any money.
I was simply trying to make the point that you don't have to pay $3000.00 for a $1500.00 gun.
And CastleBravo, old chap,the difference between a "semi-drop-in" and a "gunsmith fit" barrel,at least in Bar-Sto's case, is about 1/2" at 25 yards or so.Nope,you didn't save any money.
Mr bjg1911,very well said reply.
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Novak's Handgunner Outlet
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Novak's Handgunner Outlet
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www.handgunneroutlet.com
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