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I have a Mark 3 (circa early 2000s) BHP with Tru Dot night sights (as it came from the factory)

The lights have gone out and I need to replace the night sights

I am not wedded to adjustable sights. I do want night sights or at least a front night sight that would be compatible with the adjustable rear (tall)

Can anyone help me? (I have used the search function and cannot find where it is said the adjustable dovetail is the same as the fixed)

Does anyone know the dimension of my dovetails?

Better, does anyone know what my night sight options are short of having my slide sent somewhere to be modified?

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A pic of your slide would be helpful to be sure. Is your gun currently equipped with fixed or adjustable night sights? If fixed only Meprolight makes Hi Power replacement NIGHT sights using the existing MKIII dovetails. I think there may be another out there that used the MKIII dovetail but Just about all other night sights require milling the slide. There are plenty of Aftermarket adjustable night sights that can be used on a Hi Power once the slide is milled.

Did FN ever supply a Hi Power from the factory equipped with adjustable night sights? Anyone....
 

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I bought the gun originally and it came with Tru Dot adjustable night sights which are still on the gun

It is a Belgium/Portugal assemble/Utah black slide chrome bodied gun

I am trying to avoid sending the slide for milling (but where to send it might be the next question)

If the current Mepro fixed night sights would fit the dovetails, I would be happy with that if someone could answer that question



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Nomikes,

I'm sure you know that Tru Dot adjustable sights weren't original to your pistol.
Not sure dovetails dimensions that would be. Can you post a photo?

The easiest solution would be to find the same sights to replace the dead ones.
Since we don't know yet what milling was made, if any, to accommodate the present sights that would be the cheapest way to go.

If no changes were made to the dovetails, then you have a choice of Meprolite or Trijicon BR02 sights which fit MK III dovetails.
Also, check out Dawson Precision, as they are always coming out with new BHP sights.

Your next options would be Novak sights, both fixed and adjustable. Novak makes a fully adjustable 1911 sight set for the 1911 that some have sent to Novak (slide only - saves money) for installation on a BHP.

If you want a front-only tritium sight, that leaves the door open for some old school fancy stuff, if you're so inclined.

Here's a MK III that's been done over by Don Williams with a tritium front and a Bomar rear. Also a blued HP that was worked by George Carell (AKA "Old George") with a tritium front and a S&W white outline K Frame adjustable rear sight. Both are in .40 S&W.

(Click on the photos and they get bigger)
 

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If all you need are replacement tritium bulbs, try http://tooltechgunsight.com/ I've sent several pistol slides, or just the sights, to them over the years. I've always been very pleased with their service and work and prices.
+1 Good advice!
Tooltech will also adapt tritium vials into non tritium sights.
They have a very good warranty too, should a vial go prematurely dim.

This started life as a Blued .40S&W with factory LPA adjustable sights.
ToolTech converted it to tritium.
 

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"I'm sure you know that Tru Dot adjustable sights weren't adjustable to your pistol."

I assume you mean original and, they came with the pistol when purchased. I have no idea whether Browning had sent them out to a vendor


"The easiest solution would be to find the same sights to replace the dead ones"

I have contacted Mepro (no response) and searched the internet

"If nochanges were made to the dovetails, then you have a choice of Meprolite or Trijicon BR02 sights which fit MK III dovetails.
Also, check out Dawson Precision, as they are always coming out with new BHP sights."

I do not know if any changes were made. I will contact Dawson

"If you want a front-only tritium sight, that leaves the door open for some old school fancy stuff, if you're so inclined."

I could live with just a tritrium front as long as it comported with the rear. I have old covered. What fancy stuff do you suggest?

Thank you all for your suggestions



"Not sure dovetails dimensions that would be. Can you post a photo?"

No. I do not know how to get them from my phone to the Forum. Could email them, though
 

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Yes. I meant original. I fixed that, thanks.

The old school fancy stuff are the 2 photos I attached. I'm not sure if you can see them.
The forum is suddenly running very slow at my end.
 

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If all you need are replacement tritium bulbs, try http://tooltechgunsight.com/ I've sent several pistol slides, or just the sights, to them over the years. I've always been very pleased with their service and work and prices.
I don't think ToolTech relamps sights or works with tritium anymore. They did not renew their license to do so. The NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) recently made the costs too prohibitive for ToolTech to deal with it. They sell sights but don't relamp them. Trijicon however still does and may be able to help the Op.
 

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I don't think ToolTech relamps sights or works with tritium anymore. They did not renew their license to do so. The NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) recently made the costs too prohibitive for ToolTech to deal with it. They sell sights but don't relamp them. Trijicon however still does and may be able to help the Op.
I guess I won't expect to hear back from ToolTech. Thanks
 

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I guess I won't expect to hear back from ToolTech. Thanks
You can call them to confirm. But I myself have had several Berettas redone over the years and yes they did well. As of about a year or so ago they stopped relamping sights and went to only selling sights made by Trijicon. This is a big topic on the Beretta forum. In fact Wilson themselves had a heck of a time convincing Trijicon to relamp my Beretta after they removed the rear sight and front vial so they could ArmorTuff it. It took more than one phone call from WC to convince Trijicon to do it. Since WC remove the sights Trijicon didn't want to touch it. In the end it was only the name and reputation of the company calling them that convinced them to redo them. Had I or anybody else not as well known done it I don't think I would have been able to get them redone.

If the front sight is dovetailed they probably have a replacement. If it is fixed they can't relamp it.

http://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=123308&highlight=ToolTech
 

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7.62Kloectr,

Thank you for the updated information on ToolTech.
ToolTech used to have a photo of a Hi Power MK II on their website showing a tritium lamp inserted into the original front sight.
From time to time I kept reminding myself to have that done.
I guess I waited too long.

Thanks again for chiming in with the straight dope.
 

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7.62Kloectr,

Thank you for the updated information on ToolTech.
ToolTech used to have a photo of a Hi Power MK III on their website showing a tritium lamp inserted into the original front sight.
From time to time I kept reminding myself to have that done.
I guess I waited too long.

Thanks again for chiming in with the straight dope.
You're welcome. Like I said if they are dovetailed ToolTech can probably help.
But they are only buying the sights from Trijicon adding a bit of profit for themselves and selling the sights you can likely get direct from Trijicon. The problem with the Berettas that had night sights and are non Brigadier models is that the front sight blade is integral to the slide. It needs to be drilled out and a new vial inserted. This translates into 'manufacturing' a sight instead of just selling or installing them. The license to 'manufacture' a tritium sight I guess just became too cost prohibitive for them to keep doing so. That is why you cannot find any information on their sight regarding relamping. All you see are sights for sale that clearly say Trijicon on them. Their cost on those may actually be less than direct from Trijicon. That I don't know.
 

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Wow. I didn't know that Tooltech Gunsight had quit replacing tritium bulbs. As I stated in my earlier post, I have used them several times and was always pleased with everything. Also, the process took just a week or two, not the 10-12 week turn around that they now have listed on their website.

Like Burgs, I have a Mark III slide that I wanted to send to them and have a tritium bulb put into the original front sight. Guess that won't happen now.
 

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I found this in the Q&A on Trijicon's website:

I have a pistol slide, revolver, or other firearm with fixed iron sights, can you install
Trijicon tritium sources into my sight(s)?

No.

Tritium is a radioactive isotope that is regulated by the U.S. NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission). In accordance with Trijicon’s radiation safety program and ALARA (As Low As Reasonably Achievable) contamination / exposure principles, we will not perform tritium source installation into firearms or pistol slides with integral fixed sights. This is intended to protect our customers from the potential situation in which a source could become broken and not be repairable / returnable. We are actively looking into alternative solutions for this need.

If you have a firearm with a non-removable sight that requires repair, or have other questions, please contact Trijicon’s Technical Support with any questions by calling toll free at 1-800-338-0563, or 1-248-960-7700.
 

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Like Burgs, I have a Mark III slide that I wanted to send to them and have a tritium bulb put into the original front sight. Guess that won't happen now.
Howdy Rob,

I typo-ed that. My bad. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
It was actually a MK II front sight that I had been looking at. I just changed my original post to MK II.

Times have certainly changed, when it comes to tritium sights. Back in the 1980s my first set of night sights, for my S&W M 686 work gun, came in a kit.
The kit consisted of one tritium vial and one new rear sight leaf.
A gunsmith would take this "kit" and drill the front sight for the tube, and install the new rear sight leaf, which had a horizontal tritium bar under the sight notch.

It worked well, as far as it went, but my particular 686 is ported. For anybody who really, really likes carbon black sights, I can heartily recommend ported barrels. :rock:

I have an interest in watches. A lot of my watches have tritium hands and markers for easy night usage.
Evidently, from what I've read, the European Union has all sorts of rules about tritium watches. Evidently they're considered to be miniature Chernobyls or some such.

This is a Ball Trieste. It has something like 65 pieces of tritium in it. The bezel is passively lumed.
Take that, Angela Merkel!
 

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Burgs, as Jeff Foxworthy says, "I'm not stupid, just ignorant." Or, maybe I am stupid. So, I missed your typo.:hrm::confused:

I have an FN/SFS 9mm that I don't want to put Meprolight or Trijicon tritium sights on. The aim is perfect on this pistol. I just wanted a tritium bulb put in the original front sight--I don't like tritium in rear sights. I guess I'm out of luck.:scratch:
 

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Rob S,

The mistake/Typo was entirely mine. No way you could've known. I typed MK III instead of MK II.

There may still be a couple of ways to get a just a tritium front sight.

You might be able to buy just a Trijicon or Mepro front sight made for MK III dovetails.
I've seen them sold separately. BUT, I'm not sure if the tritium front sights are the same height a FN OEM. They look close but I haven't measured any difference.
You'd need to call Trijicon or Mepro. The last time I called Mepro, they were managed or associated with Kimber in NY.

Another way would be to call Novak. Tell Novak that you want a tritium front sight to fit the FN OEM specs for height and dovetail. No need to tell them the OEM specs, they probably have a Conex box of HP take-offs.
I've done this several times in the past for various pistols - 1911s, HPs and CZs mostly - and Novak has always been most helpful. On a couple of pistols, Novak has helped me chase through multiple front sights until I got a perfect height solution. In the past at least, Novak could order just about any spec from Trijicon and Trijicon would build it for them.

Where there's a will, there's a way. You just need to be patient and think out of the box.

Please keep us posted!
 
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