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I hear everybody talking about "high end" pistols. My question is does Colt qualify as a high end pistol? They seem kind of middle of the road to me considering I've heard that they contain the evil MIM parts. Just wondering what y'alls thoughts were on the subject.
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I hear everybody talking about "high end" pistols. My question is does Colt qualify as a high end pistol? They seem kind of middle of the road to me considering I've heard that they contain the evil MIM parts. Just wondering what y'alls thoughts were on the subject.
You buy one from Colt Custom Shop and it’ll be high end real quick.
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Colt is a military arms manufacturer and they're a VERY LONG WAY from "high end". They are extremely good at selling you a gun with razor sharp corners all over it.... They seem to price their guns as if they were "high end".
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Well, remember, for every 'high-end' pistol out there, we have hundreds, if not more, middle of the road guns providing excellent service to a multitude of users. Some folks may talk about 'high-end' guns, but not everyone talks about 'high-end' guns. Diminishing returns is a real thing, although it kicks in at different points for each person. A regular Colt is indeed a middle of the road gun, but it's also a very good middle of the road gun, regardless of MIM (a poor dead horse that's been ground to dust!). As fnfalman said, a custom shop Colt gets you into a different ballpark, if you're into such things. But, there's that diminishing returns thing again. One has to make their own assessments! ;) ;) ;)
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I've owned a number of Colts since the mid 1980's, and after finally experiencing an actual high end 1911, a Night Hawk Custom 1911 in 2014, my opinion of Colt is that they make lower middle (or high lower level depending on how you look at them) level 1911's. As someone else mentioned, a Colt Custom shop will get you a high middle level 1911. I really like Dan Wesson 1911's and they are high middle level quality in my opinion. Dan Wessons are my favorite 1911 maker. Not too expensive and quite a huge step forward in quality compared to Colt Govt and Commander 1911s and other 1911's from S&W, SA, RIA, and other similarly priced 1911s.
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I’m not in the habit of knocking any manufacturers, but Colt is not imho a high end pistol.
Any time I’ve considered or handled one, I put it down and walked away. Granted, they’ve got history and name recognition working in their favor which works for them. But, we all can name at least 6 other semi customs that are superior in every way.
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I've owned a number of Colts since the mid 1980's, and after finally experiencing an actual high end 1911, a Night Hawk Custom 1911 in 2014, my opinion of Colt is that they make lower middle (or high lower level depending on how you look at them) level 1911's. As someone else mentioned, a Colt Custom shop will get you a high middle level 1911. I really like Dan Wesson 1911's and they are high middle level quality in my opinion. Dan Wessons are my favorite 1911 maker. Not too expensive and quite a huge step forward in quality compared to Colt Govt and Commander 1911s and other 1911's from S&W, SA, RIA, and other similarly priced 1911s.
arent colt and dan wesson both owed by CZ now?
How long to the 2 guns are similar?

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It depends on your perspective. When I first shot a 45 Automatic in 1963. The Colt Commercial was top of the line. The USGI pistols was middle ground and the low end were the foreign knockoffs.

Over the years other commercial attempts were made of the 1911 Platform. Most notable were the first generation of stainless steel pistols. (they were failures) JMHO
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Actually I disagree with most of you. Colt does produce a few “high end” 1911’s!
Not all of their production pistols are but a few. For instance, my Wiley Clapp Government is very high quality.
It really just depends on who orders the pistols such as Talo Inc. They require a bit more attention than the standard production line normally does.
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arent colt and dan wesson both owed by CZ now?
How long to the 2 guns are similar?

JAG
They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.
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I’m not in the habit of knocking any manufacturers, but Colt is not imho a high end pistol.
Any time I’ve considered or handled one, I put it down and walked away. Granted, they’ve got history and name recognition working in their favor which works for them. But, we all can name at least 6 other semi customs that are superior in every way.
Exactly!! (y) Now, their Custom Shop can make some nice 1911's. But, we're talking about their standard production models like the Govt. Model, Commander, and whatever the name is of their 3" barrel model.
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They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.
It took CZ six years to turn Dan Wesson around. It’s been less than two years since CZ acquired Colt. Things don’t happen overnight.

Already Colt had been producing more guns. Already Colt customer service improved. The rest will come.
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Exactly!! (y) Now, their Custom Shop can make some nice 1911's. But, we're talking about their standard production models like the Govt. Model, Commander, and whatever the name is of their 3" barrel model.
You’re not paying $3000 for a standard production Colt either.

How can a gun that is priced about midrange be a high end gun?
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They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.
the hope is that there is some cross pollination - the best practices of DW's quality control filter over to colt - and whatever colt is good at (not much in my long experience of owning problematic colt 1911's) gets over to DW. again - its just a hope...

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the hope is that there is some cross pollination - the best practices of DW's quality control filter over to colt - and whatever colt is good at (not much in my long experience of owning problematic colt 1911's) gets over to DW. again - its just a hope...

JAG
I hope that you are correct. I've purchased Colt products since the 1980's with a Colt Python that I later traded for a Colt AR15 Carbine and then several Combat Commanders and a Govt Model and then finally a Delta ELite in the early 90's that was defective right out of the brand new box. The thumb safety was so tight that pushing on it broke the plunger tube right off of the frame. Two brand new Delta Elites had the exact same issue as I picked up my new Delta Elite and my buddy picked up his at the same time and both had the same exact issue.

It would be nice if Colt got rid of their chronically bad management and got in higher quality personnel with much better quality control. But, I read that CZ wasn't changing out any of Colt's bad management personnel. So, it doesn't look good.
Colt is still making inferior guns
Some of us would disagree. While I would agree that some of Colt's 1911s don't offer the same features (i.e., frontstrap checkering, factory night sights) as other pistols at certain similar price points (IOW, some are over-priced), the quality of current production Colts compares favorably to other brands. You can quibble about the pricing, but Colt as of now is putting out some darn nice 1911s.

"High end?" The OP didn't really define what "high end" means to him. For most of us, high end in a 1911 is at least a semi-custom (Wilson, Baer, Brown, NH) or full custom.

I've bought many, many 1911s (and revolvers) produced by Colt in every one of its eras since the late 1970s. Haven't come across any lemons (yes, been lucky) but as far as revolvers, I think the new Colt revolvers are pretty special.

Anyway, threads such as this are just starting to seem like an invitation to bash the brand or tout other favorite brands.
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You’re not paying $3000 for a standard production Colt either.

How can a gun that is priced about midrange be a high end gun?
All of my DW's are priced in the $2,000 range and all are high quality. My $2,200 stainless steel DW Specialist Commander 10mm has a super tight, super slick light weight match grade trigger that almost matches the match grade trigger on m NHC Recon Enforcer. The slide to frame movement is super tight, super slick, with no slack whatsoever. Compared to Colt Govt. models, Colt Commander, and Delta ELite models that I have owned in the past, none of my Colt 1911's can compare at all with my DW 1911's.

$3,850 for my NHC on the top and $2,200 for my DW Specialist Commander below and both are very close in quality. That sums it up for me.
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I consider production Colt semi-autos to be basic, good quality, pistols. I carried a production Colt every working day for several years. Some O-Frame Colts will have better sights, different grips, and other features, but overall build quality is variable. I've owned, I don't even know how many, production Colts since the early '70s, and two of the Colt Custom Shop SCG pistols. My opinion is similar to that of Plantar5 and INV136. My SCGs were certainly good looking; one a two tone, one all blue, but beyond that, not much to write home about. The one place I could detect actual extra care was the nicely fitted grip safeties on both. The front corners of the mag wells though, would draw blood if one was not careful: obviously drop-in. Trigger quality, accuracy, fit of barrel/bushing/slide/frame was no different than the average production Colt one might see in the LGS.

Wouldn't want this to get around, but other than the nicely fitted SCG grip safeties, the fit of other components was not as good as on my production STIs, Kimbers and Dan Wessons.

Now before the "He's a Colt Hater" stuff starts, I've owned and carried more Colts than anything, and just recently bought another new Colto_O
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Colt 1911’s are mass produced assembly line production guns, no extra QC, nothing special. They should be directly compared to the likes of Tisas, Norico, etc. The ONLY reason they’re priced at the $900-$1000 dollar range is directly related to cost to make them here in a UNION factory.

comparing Colt base pistols to Dan Wesson or custom makers is hardly a fair comparison.
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All of my DW's are priced in the $2,000 range and all are high quality. My $2,200 stainless steel DW Specialist Commander 10mm has a super tight, super slick light weight match grade trigger that almost matches the match grade trigger on m NHC Recon Enforcer. The slide to frame movement is super tight, super slick, with no slack whatsoever. Compared to Colt Govt. models, Colt Commander, and Delta ELite models that I have owned in the past, none of my Colt 1911's can compare at all with my DW 1911's.

$3,850 for my NHC on the top and $2,200 for my DW Specialist Commander below and both are very close in quality. That sums it up for me.
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Show me a standard production Colt (not gold inlay and engraved) that costs $2000.

DW costs more for a reason. There’s no free lunch.
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