You buy one from Colt Custom Shop and it’ll be high end real quick.
You buy one from Colt Custom Shop and it’ll be high end real quick.I hear everybody talking about "high end" pistols. My question is does Colt qualify as a high end pistol? They seem kind of middle of the road to me considering I've heard that they contain the evil MIM parts. Just wondering what y'alls thoughts were on the subject.
arent colt and dan wesson both owed by CZ now?I've owned a number of Colts since the mid 1980's, and after finally experiencing an actual high end 1911, a Night Hawk Custom 1911 in 2014, my opinion of Colt is that they make lower middle (or high lower level depending on how you look at them) level 1911's. As someone else mentioned, a Colt Custom shop will get you a high middle level 1911. I really like Dan Wesson 1911's and they are high middle level quality in my opinion. Dan Wessons are my favorite 1911 maker. Not too expensive and quite a huge step forward in quality compared to Colt Govt and Commander 1911s and other 1911's from S&W, SA, RIA, and other similarly priced 1911s.
They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.arent colt and dan wesson both owed by CZ now?
How long to the 2 guns are similar?
JAG
Exactly!!I’m not in the habit of knocking any manufacturers, but Colt is not imho a high end pistol.
Any time I’ve considered or handled one, I put it down and walked away. Granted, they’ve got history and name recognition working in their favor which works for them. But, we all can name at least 6 other semi customs that are superior in every way.
It took CZ six years to turn Dan Wesson around. It’s been less than two years since CZ acquired Colt. Things don’t happen overnight.They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.
You’re not paying $3000 for a standard production Colt either.Exactly!!Now, their Custom Shop can make some nice 1911's. But, we're talking about their standard production models like the Govt. Model, Commander, and whatever the name is of their 3" barrel model.
the hope is that there is some cross pollination - the best practices of DW's quality control filter over to colt - and whatever colt is good at (not much in my long experience of owning problematic colt 1911's) gets over to DW. again - its just a hope...They are. But, that changes nothing. Colt is still making inferior guns and DW is still making quality guns. So, what's the point? You might have a valid point if the management personnel and the skilled employees of DW were terminated and replaced by Colt's personnel. Fortunately, that didn't happen and there's no evidence that will ever happen. Or, if Colt's personnel were terminated and replaced with personnel of the caliber of DW personnel. Now that would be a boon for Colt, but, unfortunately for Colt there doesn't appear to be any movement in that direction by CZ.
I hope that you are correct. I've purchased Colt products since the 1980's with a Colt Python that I later traded for a Colt AR15 Carbine and then several Combat Commanders and a Govt Model and then finally a Delta ELite in the early 90's that was defective right out of the brand new box. The thumb safety was so tight that pushing on it broke the plunger tube right off of the frame. Two brand new Delta Elites had the exact same issue as I picked up my new Delta Elite and my buddy picked up his at the same time and both had the same exact issue.the hope is that there is some cross pollination - the best practices of DW's quality control filter over to colt - and whatever colt is good at (not much in my long experience of owning problematic colt 1911's) gets over to DW. again - its just a hope...
JAG
Some of us would disagree. While I would agree that some of Colt's 1911s don't offer the same features (i.e., frontstrap checkering, factory night sights) as other pistols at certain similar price points (IOW, some are over-priced), the quality of current production Colts compares favorably to other brands. You can quibble about the pricing, but Colt as of now is putting out some darn nice 1911s.Colt is still making inferior guns
All of my DW's are priced in the $2,000 range and all are high quality. My $2,200 stainless steel DW Specialist Commander 10mm has a super tight, super slick light weight match grade trigger that almost matches the match grade trigger on m NHC Recon Enforcer. The slide to frame movement is super tight, super slick, with no slack whatsoever. Compared to Colt Govt. models, Colt Commander, and Delta ELite models that I have owned in the past, none of my Colt 1911's can compare at all with my DW 1911's.You’re not paying $3000 for a standard production Colt either.
How can a gun that is priced about midrange be a high end gun?
Show me a standard production Colt (not gold inlay and engraved) that costs $2000.All of my DW's are priced in the $2,000 range and all are high quality. My $2,200 stainless steel DW Specialist Commander 10mm has a super tight, super slick light weight match grade trigger that almost matches the match grade trigger on m NHC Recon Enforcer. The slide to frame movement is super tight, super slick, with no slack whatsoever. Compared to Colt Govt. models, Colt Commander, and Delta ELite models that I have owned in the past, none of my Colt 1911's can compare at all with my DW 1911's.
$3,850 for my NHC on the top and $2,200 for my DW Specialist Commander below and both are very close in quality. That sums it up for me.
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