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Looking through Guns America for more elusive GI .45s, I came across this jewel:

"Colt Automatic 1911 45 ACP, Matt Blue finish 95%, wood grips, appears to be unissued or completely arsenal refinished with no wear, ser. #94XX, lanyard ring, frame marked Essex Arms Corporation, barrel marked Government Model Colt etc."

Hmm, I wonder what "arsenal" refinished that one? I can see why many first-time USGI 1911 buyers are afraid to jump in now. Can anybody spot the giveaway?



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[This message has been edited by dsk (edited 09-03-2001).]
 

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I really envy your knowledge when it comes to these old war horses, but I think I can pinpoint the 'giveaway' in this one... Essex frame, right?

LOL! Just a guess. Was I even close? Keep up the GREAT work Dana. I treasure your posts.

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Yep! With an Essex frame and a commercial Colt barrel, the thing never got anywhere near an arsenal. At least, not in complete form.

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DSK......
Obviously, the 1911 was refinished at the Essex Arsenal and used in WWII. The gun was then transferred to the civilian branch of military intelligence. That would certainly explain the civilian Colt barrel. Then the pistol was taken out of service because of it's rare configuration. Once it was decommissioned, the pistol was placed in the coveted "Unissued Status." Yeah, RIGHT!!!!


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Originally posted by SamColtFan:
DSK......
Obviously, the 1911 was refinished at the Essex Arsenal and used in WWII. The gun was then transferred to the civilian branch of military intelligence. That would certainly explain the civilian Colt barrel. Then the pistol was taken out of service because of it's rare configuration. Once it was decommissioned, the pistol was placed in the coveted "Unissued Status." Yeah, RIGHT!!!!


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Bonehead FNG question: If that were an honest ad, why would you pay the same price for a no wear arsenal refinish as opposed to an unissued pistol?

Seems to me the unissued would be worth more.



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awp101, you are correct in that an unissued, factory-original pistol will command the highest premium. But there ain't too many of those out there. Many so-called "unissued" pistols have in fact been refinished. One that is an honest arsenal refinish is still worth a decent sum, however. In the eyes of many collectors, an arsenal refinish is still "original" in that it is still purely military configuration. But a "Bob's gun shop" refinish is no longer original, and such a piece is nothing but a shooter.

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Good one.

Sadly I attended a show this weekend. Colt slide on a springfield frame ( you could see the corner of the polished out logo on the frame) refinished, pitted barrel.

"That is an origional GI 45. 1000.00"

and as I walked away there was some guys looking at it really hard.

DSK, if you run into this stuff, you might want to get some tips from probably keep you out of trouble.
http://www.geocities.com/M1911_M1911A1


geo ><>

ps I did pick up a 1902 colt
 

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What, you think I should go look at my own site for tips? Like I can actually TRUST what I say???


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