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Believe who you will. Just got my whole house LP fueled Generac serviced for the first time in 5 years. It has performed flawlessly, and will continue to do so. I will service it every other year from now on. If it fails, I'll buy another. My small gasoline fueled and dual fuel medium are for backup and other tasks. BTW, the company that services the Generac is not inexpensive but incredibly competent and worth the price.
I will say that no matter how little I use an engine, whether it’s generator, lawn mower or automobile, I always change the oil at least yearly. I have an SUV I only drove 2000 miles in the last year, but I still will change the synthetic oil at the one year mark. I'm glad you’ve had good luck with your equipment.
 

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The Generac test runs and charges the battery every Monday morning. All you need to do is replace the battery when it starts to get close to end of life and you are good. No, other than as a VERY satisfied customer, no connection!
And an oil change once a year.
 
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@Zerodefect So those are the ones you don't like. Which ones do you like and why? Maybe you posted the answer elsewhere. If do I did not see it.
None. Those are decent brands that I mentioned.

I suggest realigning your needs in a way that you can survive without a gen. For every happy owner, theres one who hates their machine.

My water heater runs fine when power's out. My boiler and fridge, can be run from a solar powered inverter and battery. Purposefully picked property that needs no sump pump.

My RV is solar powered. Runs everything but the AC. Usually a fantastic fan is plenty.

All I need is a candle at home. No different than most of mankinds time on earth.
 

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we wanted a 7.5 kw generac when we responded to the ad. we had a 5.5 kw gas generator but storing gas( and then not using it) was getting old. ( our cars require 93 octane, the generator used 87). I gave th e gas generator to a friend who had his circuit breaker panel wired already.

we ended up with a 22 kw generac natural gas genset. was hit with the remnants of Ida the next day-- it worked perfectly. our neighborhood lost power when it was 10 below last winter--we had heat and power. again worked perfectly.

you get whole house power without lifting a finger. you have to pay to have a monitor service( your installer monitors the system and the system tells them if there is an issue) as well as yearly oil and filter changes. still worth it !
Fyi- re:93 octane - if your cars fuel are computer controlled- you can SAFELY run 87. The computer senses the octane difference and adjusts timing to compensate. Your $ savings will exceed the minute loss if power. If your cars are older- ex: 93 Cadillac- I ran 87 in mine and bought octane booster when it was on sale - avg 2$ bottle and added abottle every other fill up. Never pinged. Auto mfgs high octane to get the best mpg and power to put on the sticker.
so- burn that 87
 
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The Generac test runs and charges the battery every Monday morning. All you need to do is replace the battery when it starts to get close to end of life and you are good. No, other than as a VERY satisfied customer, no connection!
It needs a ‘service’ oil/ filter every year. They want every 6 months. Mine runs a weekly test. Been used once- and I wasn’t home. Propane tank is still full after a year.
 

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It needs a ‘service’ oil/ filter every year. They want every 6 months. Mine runs a weekly test. Been used once- and I wasn’t home. Propane tank is still full after a year.
We have a very good power co-op and very few and generally short outages. Most of the run time is a short test Monday mornings. But you are certainly right. We are far out in the country so service is both very expensive and hard to schedule, but I have already planned to up my game.
 

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There is a great deal of hype regarding maintenance on gen sets. At one time decades ago, I supervised the maintenance of gen sets in emergency operations centers at many remote sites. A typical gen set was 360 KW, diesel powered, and required for emergency services. Each had a battery pack that took up about 2,500 square feet. I had two men employed full time to maintain them. In fact, I invented a device for filtering the radiators used on them, they held 36 gallons of water/antifreeze.

Maintenance is really not a big deal on most generators. I have 4 portable generators and a 4K Onan in the motorhome. On the gas ones, the only real issue is not letting dead gas accumulate in them which can cause the gas to break down and form varnish, which will then cause problems starting the gen set because of the small carburetors in them. Stabil will protect it for a couple years, but gas should be completely rotated out once per year, just to be safe. The gen sets themselves are nothing but two motors, one a simple gas motor and one simple electric motor/alternator with on/off switches and a circuit to regulate the output. There is not really much necessity of exercising them, they are just like your lawnmower, changing oil is not really necessary unless it get dirty. It is more important to make sure rats do not build nests in them or chew up the wiring. The dual fuel gensets do not require any fuel issues. Like anything, car, lawnmower, or microwave, you need to start them up once in a while if you expect them to work after sitting for months. Do you need to run them once a week or month? That is nuts.

Oil change recommendations are more hype than fact. Think about it, even the riding lawnmower, exposed to constant dust, only requires an oil change every 50 hours. Now put any motor in a clean space and it becomes like your car, which with any decent synthetic oil today is now 10,000 or 25,000 miles, that is 200-500 hours of engine run time. Any quality motor on a gen set should exceed that because they are filtered and do not move, they are not exposed to much in the air. As far as exercising them every week or every month, that is a lot of hype. The motor does not need that, the more important purpose is to make sure the rats have not gotten into it or the gas has not died. and the battery is charged.

Maintenance contracts where you pay someone to come out and check it or run it periodically are a rip-off. These are not like an HVAC unit that has something like freon that might leak out and has pressure levels that need to be maintained. I think the marketing staff just scare people into signing for the service which just goes on forever. There is nothing on a genset that might wear out from wear and tear like fan belts or hoses that might develop a leak, so a maintenance contract is like buying a maintenance contract on your riding lawnmower. The biggest value in frequently starting the genset is just to make sure the battery is up. Sitting batteries can easily be kept up with a $20 trickle charger, like you put on your boat or motorcycle that sits for months without being used.

A second reason for periodically running the genset is simply to replace the gas in the unit, you really do not need to pay people to do that. Propane and diesel powered units do not require that at all. So, the maintenance contract, in my view are a scam. But for people with zero skills, to simply flip it on and run it for 15 minutes, it does relieve those imaginary fears of the unknown.

On the portable gen sets that are started by battery power, that is the weak link. We have one from Cabelas that is a great device, but they come with tiny batteries, like a motorcycle battery. For the remote to work, that battery must always be up and should be checked and charged a couple times per year. Of course just flipping it on for 20 minutes every 3-4 months solves that. And again, a $20 trickle charges solves that problem.

I think as we get older we all want simpler things to do. Think about simple things, like changing your own oil. I still do that on my Jeep and motorhome. The motorhome is simply a V10 Ford where changing oil is the same as it was on any V8 fifty years ago. The problem is you cannot get it done at Walmart, it is too tall, so you take it to a truck or RV center and they change your 6 quarts of oil and filter for $250.00, so I change my own. On most cars today, people have no clue how to change the oil, and you cannot get under them anyway, so off to Walmart we go, money well spent.

Gensets are incredibly simple, but for many people who have no concept, they are a fearful mystery. Everyone gets to decide how to spend their money and a whole house system does away with that intense fear that many people have.
So, for folks with electrical knowledge there is a whole array of simple and cheap solutions, for people without basic knowledge of electricity, an automatic system is worth the high cost.

Also, as we age, all of us are losing our mobility. Many of us, myself included have problems getting out of bed at night in the middle of a storm and going out to wherever our genset might be and starting it up, running cords or whatever. So, automatic gensets are just the ticket for us as we all become feeble. and less mobile. That being the case, it makes sense to just add them to the budget if we are in a home we plan to be in for many years. That said, no reason to wait until we are immobile to put them in place, just go ahead and get them now and get more years of use out of them. They are simple devices, they should never wear out. They are not an investment, they are a device that makes life easier.

Just my opinion.
 

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A house backup generator is not an investment. It's a depreciable asset, just like any other major appliance in your home (refrigerator, stove, furnace, AC, etc) It adds value to the home at time of sale, but it's value decreases over time.

Whether you need one or not is dependent on your situation. Our power goes out about 4 to 6 times a year, but normally for only a few minutes. In 10 years, we've only lost power for more than 2 hours once. Your situation may be different.
 

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Been in Florida on the East Coast since 1965. No whole house generator. Hurricane David was an interruption. Andrew missed me. Frances and Jean were an exercise in patience. Matthew was scary. Whole house generators are an economic choice based on circumstances. Yes, wife and kids left during Frances and Jean. I ran a small 5500 generator for lights and fans and used a propane grill and MREs. As said by Marine Brat above, it is about $$, choice and prayer. The older we get the less likely we are to tolerate inconvenience.
 

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I bought a Generic 22Kw and had it installed professionally. It was suggested I have at lease 240 Gal Propane Tank/s nearby. Since I have had it I've used it about 7 times this year. A few longer than 4-5 hours. I live on a Coastal Island with a lot of trees and all Utility Lines above ground. Around where I live a lot of people use them. It's not cheap but your choice is no Electric and loss of food and inconvenience as any large Market is an hour away.
 
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Considered this for my home in Punta Gorda, FL. However, several homes in my neighborhood lost solar panels to Ian. Some kind of generator seems the better solution here.
Solar panels will not work with the power out - UNLESS you also have a battery storage system
 
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A house backup generator is not an investment. It's a depreciable asset, just like any other major appliance in your home (refrigerator, stove, furnace, AC, etc) It adds value to the home at time of sale, but it's value decreases over time.

Whether you need one or not is dependent on your situation. Our power goes out about 4 to 6 times a year, but normally for only a few minutes. In 10 years, we've only lost power for more than 2 hours once. Your situation may be different.
I lost power in Richmond, Virginia for 10 days in 2004. Lost water too but was smart enough to fill up a bathtub before water stopped. I've had a whole-house generator ever since then. Now I live in Maine where we lose power fairly regularly. Usually it's just a few hours but a couple days when it's 10 degrees outside is bad. Need electricity for well pump too. A 1,000 gallon underground propane tank gives me peace of mind. Plus I won't lose the meat I keep in my freezer (see profile pic).
 

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Our transfer switch is on our main breaker panel. When we flip off the main breaker and flip on the generator switch, the entire panel if now powered by the generator. In my case, this is the entire house. You just flip off the breakers that you do not want to power. There is a 50 amp breaker switch for the AC on the main panel. The electrician said I should just turn off the AC, dryer, and oven switches as those use a lot of power. He said that everything else would be fine to leave on when running the generator.

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This is an interlock, not a transfer switch. Either a perfectly legitimate way of setting it up - backfeed without an interlock is dangerous. Nicely done.
 

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Installed a new Generac 22kw standby in 2018. Had only had it a couple of months when we got hit by Hurricane Florence. Live on a small (6 mile x 1 mile) island in coastal NC.
Power was out for 12 days. Ours is LP. There IS no natural gas here, and a very limited number of gas stations.
Only a very few glitches with the system. Initial installers did not wire the transfer switch correctly, so it was problematic for awhile. Got another nearby firm that are very sharp to come and correct the mistakes.
Service it correctly and maintain warranty. Works great.

A caveat -if you want it to run A/C (and we did, after Florence - it was miserable) it will DRINK LP by the extra gallons.
Minus the A/C, thought it was very efficient.
 

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I live in Pensacola. We’ve had our share of hurricanes. We were without power 11 days after Ivan.
I’ve got two Generac 5500 generators, one for backup and a Honda 2000.
Yes, it’s kind of a pain to load up on gasoline when a hurricane enters the Gulf but I use it all eventually whether it hits us or not.
We were out 3 days after Sally and I used the Honda. It sips gas.
It’s usually cooler weather for a couple of days after a hurricane but if it’s not, I have a 5000 BTU window unit I can stick in the window in 15 minutes.
My in-laws have a big whole-house generator they had installed about 10 years ago.
A couple of months after they got it, they had the extended family over for Christmas Eve, about 60 people. It was drizzling and 75 degrees, very humid. The power went out, we kept waiting for the gen to kick in and it never did.
Right now, the generator has been out for a month and the company said it will be February before they can get the part to fix it.
When a hurricane hits, I’m just trying to get by in relative comfort for a few days and I can do that with my portables without spending a ton of money plus I can use them elsewhere when needed.
 
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