Unfortunately, its not a myth. I just completed a State Armed Security ceritification coarse and handloads are a very real liability. Not so much that you could be accused criminally of murder (assuming you were justified in the shooting), but because you could be sued civilly for wrongful death, violation of civil rights, etc.Originally posted by MuzzleBlast:
Forget the part about handloads being a liability risk, because IMHO all that is urban myth. Any reason to believe a 200gr LSWC wouldn't be at least as effective as hardball?
The officer shot an assailant with a .38 special handload. It became a serious issue in the officers case for a justified shooting.Originally posted by Jager:
Would either of you care to expound on the NYC officer case? I am doubtful that it has any merits in this discussion, but please do.
The O.J. analogy has nothing to do with handloads. It has to do with the fact that someone can be found innocent in criminal court, but guilty of the same act in a civil court.Originally posted by Jager:
O.J. Simpson? Okay. Just how does handloaded ammunition play into your analogy? I seem to recall it was a storebought knife. Now, if it was a homemade knife, I could see the analogy (grin).
I first learned about this in a Department of Justice firearms class. I lend a great deal of faith to the Department of Justice instructors. Afterall, its the DOJ that that houses the Police and the Attorney General's office. I'd give you the docket # of the NY case, but I don't have time to look it up on Lexis.Originally posted by Jager:
Sorry, I am not "speculating" about the absolute void of civil cases involving handloaded defensive ammunition. It is a fact that you, myself and anyone in this thread to date is unable to table one example for discussion.
You wouldn't necessarily have a Criminal Liability (although you could, but that's a whole new subject) But you could be able to be sued civilly. I think the key word in my point is "could".Originally posted by Jager:
If I use lethal force (handloaded round) to defend against lethal force (justified shooting), then where exactly is my liability? I dare say wether I picked up a factory produced claw hammer or one I forged myself will make no difference...
Originally posted by PlusP:
I wish someone made a soft gooey lead SWC .45 with a hollowpoint.