I just got back from a gun show and a close friend introduced me to a dealer he knows who just started to set up a table at the shows. I told him I wanted a Defender and he's ordering it for me on Monday, hope to have it by friday when I go to the range. Gave me a GREAT price. There was a "dealer" there who had a used Defender and wanted $50 more than the price I got for a new one. It was still on his table when I left. I really took my time figuring out what I wanted and looking for it at the right price. I'll let you all know how it comes out.